ΕΥΡΩΦΕΝΤΕΡΑΛΙΣΤΙΚΟ SHITPOSTING

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[Πάρταλος]

Θίχτηκαν, λέει, οι στιβαροί ηγέτες της ΕΕ γιατί ο Ερντογάν, σαν κύριος που είναι, έβαλε την Ούρσουλα μόνη της σε άνετο καναπέ αντί να την στριμώξει σε μια καρέκλα. Έτσι όπως το πάνε, σε λίγο θα του ζητήσουν και τον λόγο γιατί δεν αναγνωρίζει το ελεύθερο κομμάτι της Κύπρου, γιατί έχει μισθοφόρους όπου φτάνει το χέρι του, γιατί απειλεί άλλα κράτη, γιατί.. γιατί.. γιατί.. Τι να πει κανείς, αχάριστοι άνθρωποι και ελπίζω να πληρώσουν το τίμημα.

[Πάρταλος]

Αφιερωμένο στα γιωτόμπαλα της ΕΕ, οι υπόλοιποι ας ατσαλωθούμε.
Υ.Γ. Ιδανικές οι συνθήκες για επίσκεψη Δένδια.

[nostromos]

[ΣΑΤΑΝΙΚΟΣ ΕΓΚΕΦΑΛΟΣ]

[Λίνο Βεντούρα]

Πάλι καλά που δεν την εμβολίασαν όρθια

[Dwarven Blacksmith]

[Orion22]

Μια η αυπνία από τον καναπέ, μια τα έγγραφα φαντάσματα τι να πρωτοκάνει ο βέλγος.

A phantom document proposing controversial border changes across the Western Balkans caused a political storm in the region and in Brussels this week. While most EU officials had little knowledge of the elusive document, the office of European Council President Charles Michel could not deny receiving it. EURACTIV took a closer look.

On Thursday (15 April), a Ljubljana-based outlet, necenzurirano.si published what it said was a ‘non-paper’ allegedly authored by Prime Minister Janez Janša, or someone from his inner circle, proposing possible border changes to address lingering malaise in the former Yugoslavia, titled Western Balkans – a Way Forward.

Janša has denied writing the document and his office, contacted by EURACTIV, said it “does not further comment” on the issue.

Bosnian media were the first to report on Monday that Janša had handed over a document with guidelines on the “final disintegration of former Yugoslavia” to European Council President Charles Michel in February or March this year.
Slovenia suspected of seeking 'peaceful dissolution' of Bosnia-Herzegovina

The Slovenian Ambassador to Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH) has been summoned to the country’s foreign ministry to explain recent rumours about alleged plans by Ljubljana for the dissolution of the country hosting her and a redrawing of borders across the Western Balkans.

They also reported that Slovenian President Borut Pahor had broached the possible “peaceful dissolution” of Bosnia-Herzegovina in a conversation with Bosnia’s tripartite presidency last month – which Pahor confirmed but insisted that his motives were different and that he remained fully in favour of Bosnia’s territorial integrity.

The background

Following the 1991-95 Yugoslav wars and US mediation, Bosnia and Herzegovina became a federation divided into two entities with considerable independence: the Bosniak-Croat Federation and Republika Srpska.

Each has its own government, legislature and police force, but the two come together in a central government and a rotating three-person presidency held equally by a Bosniak, a Croat and a Serb.

After the 1999 NATO airstrikes against the remains of then Yugoslavia, the former Serbian province of Kosovo was created as a separate entity, which unilaterally declared independence in 2008. However, Northern Kosovo, composed of four municipalities with ethnic Kosovo Serbs majority, largely escape the control of Pristina.

Non-paper contents

EU institutions and member states occasionally share confidential but unofficial non-papers as suggested talking points or possible frameworks for discussion of delicate topics to determine common ground.

The paper proposes “solutions” that included “the unification of Kosovo and Albania” and as a counterbalance, “joining a larger part of the Republika Srpska territory with Serbia”, essentially redrawing borders along ethnic lines.

The Croatian issue in BiH would reportedly be solved by the predominantly Croat cantons of BiH joining Croatia, or by granting them a special status “following the model of South Tyrol”, the mainly German-speaking autonomous province in northern Italy. The same status is proposed for “the Serbian part of Kosovo”.

Opening the door to Turkey

In a referendum, “the Bosniaks can choose between the future in the EU or outside it, like Turkey,” the non-paper states.

Turkey is especially interested in the region, but the EU has never considered downsizing its enlargement ambition in the Western Balkans to the profit of Ankara.

Additionally, the non-paper alludes to “silent procedures” that are “underway” to include running the plans by “decision-makers in the region” and “decision-makers in the international community”.

In an earlier Croatian paper, Foreign Minister Gordan Grlić Radman called for more support for Bosnia, including for its efforts to improve the country’s “fragmented political landscape and atmosphere of mistrust” that exists among Bosnia’s political representatives, and advocated EU candidate status for the country,

Slovenia was among the signatories, as were Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, and Hungary.

Michel’s non-denial

Asked for a firm confirmation or denial that the Slovenian paper was received by Michel’s office, either through official or unofficial channels, his spokesperson told EURACTIV he “cannot give any comment whatsoever” about its reception.

The European Commission and its diplomatic service (EEAS) were not aware of the alleged unofficial document on borders in the Western Balkans.

“The EEAS has not received it, not aware of its content beyond what was reported in the media,” EU’s chief spokesperson Peter Stano told EURACTIV when asked about the document.

EU diplomats ‘unaware’

Brussels and the EU chief diplomat, Josep Borrell, have repeatedly stressed the EU’s desire to see a commitment to reforms from Bosnian officials that would “enable the country to progress towards the EU.”

Some analysts have also suggested that the Slovenian leaders may have been probing the level of dissatisfaction with Bosnia among “bigger actors”, or even on their behalf, within the EU.

Five EU diplomats contacted by EURACTIV, however, said they were officially unaware of the paper as it “has not been introduced through the official channels”.

In diplomatic practice, this means its existence can be publicly denied at any time.

“This non-paper has not been discussed among the member states. It wasn’t also officially distributed,” one EU diplomat told EURACTIV.

“It looks like provocative actions and disinformation,” another EU diplomat said but refused to speculate who could have an interest in spreading such disinformation.

A problematic presidency?

Slovenia will take over the EU Council’s rotating presidency on 1 July, so the timing of Pahor and Janša statements packs a particular punch as this is when a more concrete conversation about the future of the Western Balkans is anticipated at the EU level.

Slovenian MEP Tanja Fajon (S&D), leader of the second-biggest opposition party, Social Democrats, in the Slovenian national assembly, said in a Thursday statement that the “solution for the Balkans is a clear European perspective, not moving borders”.

Fajon warned of some European leaders who promote “disruptive ideas and nationalist tendencies, and with undiplomatic moves, they are burdening the already concerned population with additional concerns”.

“Any idea, as we hear them, of setting and moving borders between countries, especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which has suffered the most damage, is an extremely dangerous move,” the European lawmaker added.

Fajon has recently upset Bulgaria by spearheading a killer amendment in a European Parliament resolution, strongly criticising Sofia for blocking the start of accession negotiations with North Macedonia, while praising Skopje’s “mature” position.

The amendment was rejected in Plenary, but the negative apprehensions for Slovenia’s presidency remain, Bulgarian commentators said in Sofia.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/enlarg ... n-balkans/


Με το καλό να πω αν και έχω κι εγώ κάποιες βελτιιωτικές προτάσεις για το σχέδιο

[Zelda]

Με το καλό να πω αν και έχω κι εγώ κάποιες βελτιιωτικές προτάσεις για το σχέδιο

Πολύ ενδιαφέροντα ολα αυτα...

Αλλα αν η Σερβια παρει το σερβικο κομματι της Βοσνιας και η Κροατια το αντιστοιχο κροατικο, τοτε τι απομενει απο το σημερινο κρατος της Βοσνιας-Ερζογοβινης;

Μια μαυρη τρυπα στο χαρτη.
Ενα μικρο παμφτωχο περικλειστο κρατιδιο καθαρα μουσουλμανικό το οποίο τι ρολο θα εχει;

Δε νομιζω, εστω με τη μορφη κρατιδιου, να γινει ποτε αποδεκτο απο την ΕΕ... εδω μεχρι και το Ιραν εχει επιρροη σε φανατικους θυλακες Βοσνιων, οχι μονο η Τουρκια.

[Orion22]

για το κροατικό/μουσουλμανικό κομάτι της Β/Ρ περιγράφει σχετική αυτονομία τύπου νοτίου τυρόλου αν δεν κάνω λάθος
ή και δημοψήφισμα για το αν θέλουν ειδικό καθεστός σε στυλ τουρκίας

[Zelda]

για το κροατικό/μουσουλμανικό κομάτι της Β/Ρ περιγράφει σχετική αυτονομία τύπου νοτίου τυρόλου αν δεν κάνω λάθος
ή και δημοψήφισμα για το αν θέλουν ειδικό καθεστός σε στυλ τουρκίας

Αυτονομια εντος της Κροατιας;
Γιατι ηδη εχουν "ανεξαρτητο" "κρατος" το οποιο μοιραζονται με τους Σερβους της Βοσνιας σημερα

[Orion22]

για το κροατικό/μουσουλμανικό κομάτι της Β/Ρ περιγράφει σχετική αυτονομία τύπου νοτίου τυρόλου αν δεν κάνω λάθος
ή και δημοψήφισμα για το αν θέλουν ειδικό καθεστός σε στυλ τουρκίας

Αυτονομια εντος της Κροατιας;
Γιατι ηδη εχουν "ανεξαρτητο" "κρατος" το οποιο μοιραζονται με τους Σερβους της Βοσνιας σημερα

από το κείμενο πιο πάνω:

The Croatian issue in BiH would reportedly be solved by the predominantly Croat cantons of BiH joining Croatia, or by granting them a special status “following the model of South Tyrol”, the mainly German-speaking autonomous province in northern Italy.

και συνεχίζει:

In a referendum, “the Bosniaks can choose between the future in the EU or outside it, like Turkey,” the non-paper states.

bosniaks είναι οι μουσουλμάνοι αν δεν κάνω λάθος

[Zelda]

για το κροατικό/μουσουλμανικό κομάτι της Β/Ρ περιγράφει σχετική αυτονομία τύπου νοτίου τυρόλου αν δεν κάνω λάθος
ή και δημοψήφισμα για το αν θέλουν ειδικό καθεστός σε στυλ τουρκίας

Αυτονομια εντος της Κροατιας;
Γιατι ηδη εχουν "ανεξαρτητο" "κρατος" το οποιο μοιραζονται με τους Σερβους της Βοσνιας σημερα

από το κείμενο πιο πάνω:

The Croatian issue in BiH would reportedly be solved by the predominantly Croat cantons of BiH joining Croatia, or by granting them a special status “following the model of South Tyrol”, the mainly German-speaking autonomous province in northern Italy.

και συνεχίζει:

In a referendum, “the Bosniaks can choose between the future in the EU or outside it, like Turkey,” the non-paper states.

bosniaks είναι οι μουσουλμάνοι αν δεν κάνω λάθος

Ευχαριστώ.
Δεν το ειχα διαβασει καλα.

Οι Κροατες προφανως θελουν το Κροατικο κομματι, αλλα αμφιβαλλω αν θελουν όλη την υπολοιπη Βοσνία με σχεδόν 2 εκ. μουσουλμάνους στο κράτος τους.
Για τα δεδομενα της Κροατίας δεν θα ειναι μειονότητα αλλά κοινότητα.

Αν ημουν Κροατης δε θα το ηθελα με τιποτα γιατι θα εξαρταται η πολιτικη σταθεροτητα απο την εκλογικη δυναμη και τις επιλογες των μουσουλμανων

[Δημοκρατικός]

A United Europe is not a third party:

Nikos Dendias, the Foreign Minister of Greece was recently invited to Turkey to discuss a common pathway for the two states in the future. However, utterly unacceptable statements came quite quickly into the talks, with the Turkish side referring to unified European institutions as "a third party". The answer of Minister Dendias to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, was that Europa is not "a third party" but much more. He then proceeded to add: "It is our family. Those are the states with which we live together. Those are the states with which we share the same values. The states with which we share a common future, a common vision, a place of protection for human rights. As I always say, the proudest example of the coexistence of states in the history of the human race."

This is the kind of responses we should give, as Europeans, to everyone who even wishes to join the ranks without even a smidge of basic respect for human rights and democratic values, which Europe has always stood for. The EU is far from being a perfect organisation, and us at Lux Europæ are very critical of it. However, it is the only unified European voice we possess, and therefore we applaud Mr. Dendias' statements, and wish to condemn everyone who regards the EU as a third party. Whoever threatens an EU-state, it's an enemy to all of the European Country: we are one.

[ΣΑΤΑΝΙΚΟΣ ΕΓΚΕΦΑΛΟΣ]