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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από paizwgames » 21 Φεβ 2021, 18:03

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Και τα χεις διαβάσει όλα; Υπάρχει hardcore subreddit που εμβαθύνει πάντως πολύ στο θέμα.

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Λεγεών » 21 Φεβ 2021, 18:50

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Και τα χεις διαβάσει όλα;
Όχι ακόμα, έχω και κανονική ζωή. :lol:
Ο χρήστης που γκρέμισε τον ηλονμασκισμό.

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Scouser » 21 Φεβ 2021, 20:34

Dwarven Blacksmith έγραψε:
21 Φεβ 2021, 13:36
Παιδιά ευχαριστώ για τις απαντήσεις αλλά με τρομάξατε λίγο.

Για την ώρα δεν αγοράζω κάτι αλλά αν μου έρθει η όρεξη θα γυρίσω να συμβουλευτώ τα ποστ σας για το πως να αρχίσω.
Kαλά τώρα, μην αφήνεις τον Λεγεών να σε τρομοκρατήσει. :lol: Η ομορφιά του κόσμου του Warhammer είναι ακριβώς στην δυστοπικότητα του μέλλοντος που περιγράφει και στο πως αντιμετωπίζουν την κατάσταση αυτή οι διάφοροι ήρωες. Ναι υπάρχουν και ορισμένοι καμένοι όπως αυτοί που περιγράφει οι οποίοι δεν έχουν καταλάβει το νόημα του setting, αλλά μιλάμε για πολύ μικρό κομμάτι του fanbase. Παρακάτω ένα πολύ ωραίο κείμενο από έναν από τους καλύτερους συγγραφείς, που συνοψίζει την ουσία του σύμπαντος του 40K:
SpoilerShow
The Mechanicus does NOT have the technology. They haven't been living on some fancy paradise planet since pre-Fall. Mars is an anarchic nightmare shithole the moment you leave the safe zones into the kilometres of labyrinthine corridors beneath it full of rogue machinery, self-aware and malevolent AI from before the Fall, and the daemon programs of the Heresy. EVERYTHING in the databases is fucked. The databases are fragmented over the entire surface to the extent that it would be impossible to see one tenth of the total files in the ludicrously extended life of a Magos even assuming that they are completely safe to visit. And they are not.
The files have been corrupted into madness by the Fall, and the unleashing of the most potent informational warfare systems ever to exist to defeat the Iron Men. Nearly all of Mars was rendered uninhabitable, what they live in now is built on the top of the ruins. They send archeotech expeditions in to find shit, nearly all of them never come back. The sheer number of rogue war machine running around in there is sufficient to rape the mind. Then came the Heresy, which was not earth-exclusive. Mars as the second most critical planet in the Imperium was the site of fighting nearly as ferocious as on Terra, with Mechanicus loyalists and Hereteks fighting tooth, nail, and mechadendrite everywhere. Ancient machines were unleashed, viruses both normal and daemonic unleashed into all the computer systems. Nearly every single stored record on Mars was rendered unusable, and those that survived are half the time self-aware and don't like you, or daemonic and actively try to kill you.
If you come back with a schematic, it is almost certainly gibberish, and if it isn't, it's probably corrupted into uselessness. If it does come back whole it was probably malevolently fucked with so that instead of a Lasgun power cell it's a fucking grenade set to detonate the second you finish building it. Why do you think they want off-world STCs so damned much if they had them all here? The fucking Heresy is why. Off-world they only have to contend with the Fall's war and its effects on the machinery plus twenty thousand years of degradation with no maintenance. But at least off-world it'll probably just not work instead of actively seek to kill you.
Why do you think they seek to placate the Machine Spirit? It's because it exists. The fragments of trillions of self-aware programs, flourishing during the Dark Age of Technology and shattered by Man in his war with the Iron men, imprisoning the few who had not set themselves irrevocably into the machinery, a prison smashed wide open by the Heresy. Everything that can hold programming in the Imperium has a shard of a program in it. EVERYTHING. And you'd better fucking please it or it will do everything in its power to make your day shit. Sure, if it's a Lasgun it'll just not work or start shooting off rounds by itself, but if you piss off a Land Raider you can say bye-bye to half a continent. They apply these principles to things without spirits by habit, since they're so used to dealing with tanks that if not talked to just right might go rogue and annihilate the Manufactorum before they can be killed.
This is why they do not like ANYONE fucking with technology, because it is so rare to find anything that just works it is critical it not be compromised. That, and they do not have the actual knowledge to fuck with it intelligently, just through experimentation, which inevitably leads to slaughter. Pressing buttons to see what works is fine in a 21st century computer, but it is a very stupid thing to do at the helm of a 410th century starship with the destructive power to end solar systems. The entire knowledge base of humanity was lost. Not forgotten, but outright lost. Everything at all, poof. Nobody knows anything because the Fall fucked everything up and the Heresy double-fucked it. To rebuild the theoretical framework needed to design new technologies that don't kill everyone near them would require starting from the ground up. They don't have the time, and they never have.
This gets on to the point of war and what it does to technology. Someone will parrot that it makes it go much faster. Yes, it makes practical applications of technology go much faster. It also utterly stops all research on the scientific theories behind those technologies. This means that when war chugs along for a decade or two things get done. It means when it goes on too long you run out of theories to turn into technologies, and then you run out of technologies to apply. You stagnate. When you have been fighting in a war for survival in a drastically overextended empire, this is what happens. You are desperate for any extra materiel that can possibly be produced. Half your entire fucking military might went rogue, smashed the half that stayed, leaving you with the tattered shreds of a war machine to keep hold of an empire that was reaching straining point with an army far larger. There is no time for the sort of applied research programs that took Man twenty five thousand years to develop, in a time of unprecedented growth and prosperity.
This is also why the Adeptus Mechanicus insists on cargo cultism. It's because when you are dealing with things you barely understand because everything you knew about them was destroyed it is the safest and most reliable option. The rituals do not exists for mysticism, they exist because they are the most practical means of building, repairing and maintaining the equipment they have with the knowledge surviving. You don't understand why pressing that button makes it go, because the manual tried to take over your brain and the copies are all unreadable and the research base that would let you reverse-engineer it does not exist and cannot be built.
Why are the Tau doing so well with their technology? Because they had peace. Eight thousand years unmolested by any enemy and they were helped the entire time by the most advanced biological race in the galaxy. Give the Imperium eight thousand years of peace and I can guarantee you it will be harder than it was during the Great Crusade.
Since some still don't get the idea, try this.
Build a library, fill it with all human knowledge. You take it elsewhere when you need a book from it, but the book is only a simplified copy. You don't understand the real book, and you don't need to. Nobody takes the real books anywhere because why would you, when there's a whole library there?
Now that library goes rogue and the maintenance machinery starts killing everyone any-fucking-where near it. Where the fuck did they all come from, you swear to god there weren't this many, and there weren't because they're using the library's information to fight their war. The government fights a battle that destroys the planet against these robots and tears apart the library to stop them using it, only to be destroyed in the process. The library is leveled, cast into flames, every book burned and every computer virus-laden.
Then comes a man who worked there. He talks to the few surviving library workers, assembles their information, and starts rebuilding a city around the library and expanding it as the librarians find little scraps of paper and fragmented bits of files that stuck together just right read something. They rebuild a library from scrap on the ashes of the old. It isn't a shadow on the glory of the old, but it is all they have.
Then the city turns on itself, kills its master, and the librarians turn to rage. Half of them kill the other half and destroy the remnants of the library because where they're going they won't need science. Everything burns, and the city is left to a scattered few survivors, walls open to the world, with the hungry predators circling.
The Adeptus Mechanicus is the sole surviving librarian, desperately scrabbling through the ashes of paper and splinters of hard drives for anything to help him and the city he needs to survive just a second longer.
The Imperium isn't grim because things suck by choice and could be fine if a sensible person came along. That sensible person wouldn't survive fifty seconds of the reality. The Imperium is grim because every single shit decision, every single sacrifice, every single death, every single man, woman, and child suffering a shit life in the worst conditions imaginable, is the absolute best that can be done. It is a study of the worst happening to everyone and what part of your humanity must be sacrificed today just to stand a chance of survival, and all it asks is whether or not it would have perhaps been better to die.
''That's not what your fucking job is. You are bullshiting people, you are acting as a propagandist. It's not 'mostly peaceful' when a car is on fire''. Joe Rogan

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Dwarven Blacksmith » 21 Φεβ 2021, 20:44

Scouser έγραψε:
21 Φεβ 2021, 20:34
Dwarven Blacksmith έγραψε:
21 Φεβ 2021, 13:36
Παιδιά ευχαριστώ για τις απαντήσεις αλλά με τρομάξατε λίγο.

Για την ώρα δεν αγοράζω κάτι αλλά αν μου έρθει η όρεξη θα γυρίσω να συμβουλευτώ τα ποστ σας για το πως να αρχίσω.
Kαλά τώρα, μην αφήνεις τον Λεγεών να σε τρομοκρατήσει. :lol: Η ομορφιά του κόσμου του Warhammer είναι ακριβώς στην δυστοπικότητα του μέλλοντος που περιγράφει και στο πως αντιμετωπίζουν την κατάσταση αυτή οι διάφοροι ήρωες. Ναι υπάρχουν και ορισμένοι καμένοι όπως αυτοί που περιγράφει οι οποίοι δεν έχουν καταλάβει το νόημα του setting, αλλά μιλάμε για πολύ μικρό κομμάτι του fanbase. Παρακάτω ένα πολύ ωραίο κείμενο από έναν από τους καλύτερους συγγραφείς, που συνοψίζει την ουσία του σύμπαντος του 40K:
SpoilerShow
The Mechanicus does NOT have the technology. They haven't been living on some fancy paradise planet since pre-Fall. Mars is an anarchic nightmare shithole the moment you leave the safe zones into the kilometres of labyrinthine corridors beneath it full of rogue machinery, self-aware and malevolent AI from before the Fall, and the daemon programs of the Heresy. EVERYTHING in the databases is fucked. The databases are fragmented over the entire surface to the extent that it would be impossible to see one tenth of the total files in the ludicrously extended life of a Magos even assuming that they are completely safe to visit. And they are not.
The files have been corrupted into madness by the Fall, and the unleashing of the most potent informational warfare systems ever to exist to defeat the Iron Men. Nearly all of Mars was rendered uninhabitable, what they live in now is built on the top of the ruins. They send archeotech expeditions in to find shit, nearly all of them never come back. The sheer number of rogue war machine running around in there is sufficient to rape the mind. Then came the Heresy, which was not earth-exclusive. Mars as the second most critical planet in the Imperium was the site of fighting nearly as ferocious as on Terra, with Mechanicus loyalists and Hereteks fighting tooth, nail, and mechadendrite everywhere. Ancient machines were unleashed, viruses both normal and daemonic unleashed into all the computer systems. Nearly every single stored record on Mars was rendered unusable, and those that survived are half the time self-aware and don't like you, or daemonic and actively try to kill you.
If you come back with a schematic, it is almost certainly gibberish, and if it isn't, it's probably corrupted into uselessness. If it does come back whole it was probably malevolently fucked with so that instead of a Lasgun power cell it's a fucking grenade set to detonate the second you finish building it. Why do you think they want off-world STCs so damned much if they had them all here? The fucking Heresy is why. Off-world they only have to contend with the Fall's war and its effects on the machinery plus twenty thousand years of degradation with no maintenance. But at least off-world it'll probably just not work instead of actively seek to kill you.
Why do you think they seek to placate the Machine Spirit? It's because it exists. The fragments of trillions of self-aware programs, flourishing during the Dark Age of Technology and shattered by Man in his war with the Iron men, imprisoning the few who had not set themselves irrevocably into the machinery, a prison smashed wide open by the Heresy. Everything that can hold programming in the Imperium has a shard of a program in it. EVERYTHING. And you'd better fucking please it or it will do everything in its power to make your day shit. Sure, if it's a Lasgun it'll just not work or start shooting off rounds by itself, but if you piss off a Land Raider you can say bye-bye to half a continent. They apply these principles to things without spirits by habit, since they're so used to dealing with tanks that if not talked to just right might go rogue and annihilate the Manufactorum before they can be killed.
This is why they do not like ANYONE fucking with technology, because it is so rare to find anything that just works it is critical it not be compromised. That, and they do not have the actual knowledge to fuck with it intelligently, just through experimentation, which inevitably leads to slaughter. Pressing buttons to see what works is fine in a 21st century computer, but it is a very stupid thing to do at the helm of a 410th century starship with the destructive power to end solar systems. The entire knowledge base of humanity was lost. Not forgotten, but outright lost. Everything at all, poof. Nobody knows anything because the Fall fucked everything up and the Heresy double-fucked it. To rebuild the theoretical framework needed to design new technologies that don't kill everyone near them would require starting from the ground up. They don't have the time, and they never have.
This gets on to the point of war and what it does to technology. Someone will parrot that it makes it go much faster. Yes, it makes practical applications of technology go much faster. It also utterly stops all research on the scientific theories behind those technologies. This means that when war chugs along for a decade or two things get done. It means when it goes on too long you run out of theories to turn into technologies, and then you run out of technologies to apply. You stagnate. When you have been fighting in a war for survival in a drastically overextended empire, this is what happens. You are desperate for any extra materiel that can possibly be produced. Half your entire fucking military might went rogue, smashed the half that stayed, leaving you with the tattered shreds of a war machine to keep hold of an empire that was reaching straining point with an army far larger. There is no time for the sort of applied research programs that took Man twenty five thousand years to develop, in a time of unprecedented growth and prosperity.
This is also why the Adeptus Mechanicus insists on cargo cultism. It's because when you are dealing with things you barely understand because everything you knew about them was destroyed it is the safest and most reliable option. The rituals do not exists for mysticism, they exist because they are the most practical means of building, repairing and maintaining the equipment they have with the knowledge surviving. You don't understand why pressing that button makes it go, because the manual tried to take over your brain and the copies are all unreadable and the research base that would let you reverse-engineer it does not exist and cannot be built.
Why are the Tau doing so well with their technology? Because they had peace. Eight thousand years unmolested by any enemy and they were helped the entire time by the most advanced biological race in the galaxy. Give the Imperium eight thousand years of peace and I can guarantee you it will be harder than it was during the Great Crusade.
Since some still don't get the idea, try this.
Build a library, fill it with all human knowledge. You take it elsewhere when you need a book from it, but the book is only a simplified copy. You don't understand the real book, and you don't need to. Nobody takes the real books anywhere because why would you, when there's a whole library there?
Now that library goes rogue and the maintenance machinery starts killing everyone any-fucking-where near it. Where the fuck did they all come from, you swear to god there weren't this many, and there weren't because they're using the library's information to fight their war. The government fights a battle that destroys the planet against these robots and tears apart the library to stop them using it, only to be destroyed in the process. The library is leveled, cast into flames, every book burned and every computer virus-laden.
Then comes a man who worked there. He talks to the few surviving library workers, assembles their information, and starts rebuilding a city around the library and expanding it as the librarians find little scraps of paper and fragmented bits of files that stuck together just right read something. They rebuild a library from scrap on the ashes of the old. It isn't a shadow on the glory of the old, but it is all they have.
Then the city turns on itself, kills its master, and the librarians turn to rage. Half of them kill the other half and destroy the remnants of the library because where they're going they won't need science. Everything burns, and the city is left to a scattered few survivors, walls open to the world, with the hungry predators circling.
The Adeptus Mechanicus is the sole surviving librarian, desperately scrabbling through the ashes of paper and splinters of hard drives for anything to help him and the city he needs to survive just a second longer.
The Imperium isn't grim because things suck by choice and could be fine if a sensible person came along. That sensible person wouldn't survive fifty seconds of the reality. The Imperium is grim because every single shit decision, every single sacrifice, every single death, every single man, woman, and child suffering a shit life in the worst conditions imaginable, is the absolute best that can be done. It is a study of the worst happening to everyone and what part of your humanity must be sacrificed today just to stand a chance of survival, and all it asks is whether or not it would have perhaps been better to die.
Δε με τρόμαξε το grimdark αλλά ότι υπάρχουν εκατοντάδες βιβλία και ότι είμαι ψυχαναγκαστικός. Το lore που συζητάτε εδώ στο νήμα ωραίο μου φαίνεται.
🔻I would have lived in peace. But my enemies brought me war.🔻

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από paizwgames » 22 Φεβ 2021, 01:36

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Και τα χεις διαβάσει όλα;
Όχι ακόμα, έχω και κανονική ζωή. :lol:
Είπα και γω, είναι πάρα πολλά, μια περίοδο πήγα να ασχοληθώ και είδα χάος και έφυγα.

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Scouser » 22 Φεβ 2021, 07:52

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22 Φεβ 2021, 01:36
είδα χάος και έφυγα.
:lol::lol::lol:
''That's not what your fucking job is. You are bullshiting people, you are acting as a propagandist. It's not 'mostly peaceful' when a car is on fire''. Joe Rogan

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Scouser » 02 Μαρ 2021, 09:45

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

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Μήπως είσαι αιρετικός? :smt047
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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Belisarius » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:29

Έχω χάσει κάτι επεισόδια. Ξέρει κανείς τι μαλακία είναι (γιατί μαλακία θα είναι) οι primaris;

υ.γ. τι ύβρη είναι αυτή η γελοιότητα το contemptor dreadnought; Δεν ντράπηκε αυτός που το σχεδίασε;

υ.γ.2 το redemptor μαλακία είναι επίσης αλλά μου αρέσει το invictor tactical suit.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το μέλος Belisarius την 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:38, έχει επεξεργασθεί 2 φορές συνολικά.

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Scouser » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:34

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02 Μαρ 2021, 14:29
Έχω χάσει κάτι επεισόδια. Ξέρει κανείς τι μαλακία είναι (γιατί μαλακία θα είναι) οι primaris;
Εξελιγμένη έκδοση των Space Marines που ανέπτυξε ένας Αρχιμάγος του Mechanicus μετά από 10.000 χρόνια R&D. Έχουν τρια επιπλέον όργανα και υποτίθεται πως είναι ακόμα πιο badass.
''That's not what your fucking job is. You are bullshiting people, you are acting as a propagandist. It's not 'mostly peaceful' when a car is on fire''. Joe Rogan

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Belisarius » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:35

Scouser έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:34
Belisarius έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:29
Έχω χάσει κάτι επεισόδια. Ξέρει κανείς τι μαλακία είναι (γιατί μαλακία θα είναι) οι primaris;
Εξελιγμένη έκδοση των Space Marines που ανέπτυξε ένας Αρχιμάγος του Mechanicus μετά από 10.000 χρόνια R&D. Έχουν τρια επιπλέον όργανα και υποτίθεται πως είναι ακόμα πιο badass.
Έγινε αυτό που φοβόμουν. Το μαλάκισαν όσο δε πάει.

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από hades » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:48

Belisarius έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:35
Scouser έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:34
Belisarius έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:29
Έχω χάσει κάτι επεισόδια. Ξέρει κανείς τι μαλακία είναι (γιατί μαλακία θα είναι) οι primaris;
Εξελιγμένη έκδοση των Space Marines που ανέπτυξε ένας Αρχιμάγος του Mechanicus μετά από 10.000 χρόνια R&D. Έχουν τρια επιπλέον όργανα και υποτίθεται πως είναι ακόμα πιο badass.
Έγινε αυτό που φοβόμουν. Το μαλάκισαν όσο δε πάει.
Και όμως όχι τουλάχιστον για μένα.Kai το σέρβιραν πολύ καλά . Βλέπεις πολλοί space marine δεν τους βλέπουν με καλό μάτι γιατί φαίνεται να μην έχουν τις ατέλειες τις δικές τους και δεν είναι απευθείας δημιουργημα του αυτοκράτορα και δεν τους πολυγουστάρουν να τους εντάξουν στα ταγματα τους .Παίζει να ναι αιτία για έναν καινούριο εμφύλιο πόλεμο αυτό.
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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Scouser » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:50

Belisarius έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:35
Scouser έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:34
Belisarius έγραψε:
02 Μαρ 2021, 14:29
Έχω χάσει κάτι επεισόδια. Ξέρει κανείς τι μαλακία είναι (γιατί μαλακία θα είναι) οι primaris;
Εξελιγμένη έκδοση των Space Marines που ανέπτυξε ένας Αρχιμάγος του Mechanicus μετά από 10.000 χρόνια R&D. Έχουν τρια επιπλέον όργανα και υποτίθεται πως είναι ακόμα πιο badass.
Έγινε αυτό που φοβόμουν. Το μαλάκισαν όσο δε πάει.
Δεν υπήρχαν και πολλές επιλογές. Έπρεπε να γίνει κάτι για να πάρει λίγο τα πάνω του το Imperium γιατί τα πράγματα πήγαιναν από το κακό στο χειρότερο.
''That's not what your fucking job is. You are bullshiting people, you are acting as a propagandist. It's not 'mostly peaceful' when a car is on fire''. Joe Rogan

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Belisarius » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:56

Δεν πείθομαι με τίποτα. Οι astartes τα έβαζαν κυριολεκτικά με θεούς και δαίμονες. Ήταν οι επίλεκτοι των επιλέκτων. Είχαμε terminators για μπουσταρισμένους marines. Δεν στέκει με βάση το μύθο. Τώρα στο starwars βρήκαν δικαιολογίες και για την Μαίρη Σου. Το να βγάζεις συνεχώς ισχυρότερους σίγουρα αυξάνει τις πωλήσεις αλλά μαθηματικά τελικά γαμάει το μύθο.

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Re: Warhammer 40.000

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Kauldron » 02 Μαρ 2021, 14:58

Οι Αστάρτες, αιρετικοί, ΔΕΝ τα έβαζαν με θεούς και δαίμονες, οι Grey Knights τα έκαναν αυτά. Χρειάστηκε ειδικό τσάπτερ. Καθίστε εσείς να σας κάνουν γουάιπ όλες σας τις μνήμες κατά καιρούς, να σας δώ. Κάτι σαν και μερικούς μερικούς εδώ μέσα, θα σκούζατε όταν αντικαταστάθηκαν οι Θάντερ Γουώριορς.
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04 Φεβ 2024, 15:56
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