omg kai 3 lol έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 19:50
ο Χεοπας τι ακριβως ανακαινισε τοτε απο το "αυθραυστο"; σε μια περιοδο μαλιστα που δεν υπηρχαν μουσουλμανοι και εξωτερικοι εχθροι;
Jimmy81 έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 19:53Διότι την (ή τις) αποσυναρμολόγησαν μετά το κτίσιμο αφου δεν χρησίμευε σε κάτι. Απλό δεν είναι;Αρίστος έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 19:22Νετο Γκουερινο έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 19:19
Δεν υπάρχει άλλος τρόπος
Η πυραμίδα χτίστηκε με εξωτερική ράμπα,αλλά σε διάστημα αιώνων,όπως έδειξαν οι δύο πρώτες χρονολογήσεις που έκαναν
Δεν βρεθηκε αρχαιολογικο ιχνος καποιας μεγαλης ραμπας κι αυτο ειναι σχεδον αποδειξη οτι δεν κτιστηκε τοτε.
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Αρίστος έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 19:42Oυτε τη ΜΙΚΡΟΤΕΡΗ του Μυκερινου δεν μπορεσαν να καταστρεψουν.
Al-Aziz Uthman was the sultan of Egypt late in the 12th century. Unlike Egypt’s previous Muslim rulers since the 7th century, he took it into his head that the pyramids were somehow un-Islamic, and he ordered them destroyed.
It did not go well. Workmen struggled for months to try to dismantle the pyramid of Menkaure, one of the three pyramids at Giza. In that time, they managed to make a noticeable gash in its side, but the work crews reported that the cost of dismantling all of the pyramids would be prohibitive. They would be as expensive to dismantle, it is said, as they were to build. Al-Aziz gave up.
omg kai 3 lol έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 20:03τι ακριβως αποδεικνυει αυτο;
απλα επαληθευει οτι οι πυραμιδες ηταν τοσο δυσκολο να φτιαχτουν οσο και να γκρεμιστουν, οι παλιες πυραμιδες ηταν ενας ξεχασμενος σωρος απο ετοιμες πετρες-υλικα για την κατασκευη των νεοτερων
Λένε και για 27 χρόνια όχι μόνο 20. Ποια πηγή λέει ότι την περίοδο του Χέοπα εκτός από την πυραμίδα του χτίστηκαν άλλα 500 μνημεία;Αρίστος έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 18:39Νετο Γκουερινο έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 18:35
Ρε συ το έχω γράψει εκατό φορές
Για να φτάσεις τα 150 ύψος που έχει η πυραμίδα με 3%κλιση,η ράμπα που θα κάνεις πρέπει να έχει μήκος πέντε χιλιόμετρα
Ενω μας λενε πως το Στοουνχετζ χτιστηκε σε 1100 χρονια, υποστηριζουν πως η Μεγαλη Πυραμιδα κατασκευαστηκε σε 20 μονο χρονια μαζι με 500 αλλα μνημεια και δεν κοκκινιζουν.
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Στις περισσότερες πυραμίδες όμως ακόμα και σε αυτές που δεν είναι τόσο εντυπωσιακές αλλά είναι ογκώδεις ώστε να απαιτούν κάποιο είδος ράμπας, πάλι δεν βρέθηκαν ράμπες. Ελάχιστες ράμπες έχουν βρεθεί παρά τα πολλά και μεγάλα κτίσματα της αρχαίας Αιγύπτου. Αυτό σημαίνει ότι ο κανόνας είναι να μην βρίσκουμε ράμπες. Ακόμα κι αν υπήρχαν απομεινάρια τους, μπορεί να τα χρησιμοποιούσαν για υλικά κατασκευής οι επόμενοι κάτοικοι μετά την αρχαιότητα. Και τα όποια σημάδια μακριά από την πυραμίδα να έχουν καλυφθεί από τους γειτονικούς τάφους ή τα άλλα ιερά κτίσματα.
Αρίστος έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 18:52
OΛΕΣ οι θεωριες για το τι ειδους ραμπα χρησιμοποιηθηκε εχουν παει για βρουβες.
Ακομη και η κορεκτ βικι το παραδεχεται.
Most Egyptologists acknowledge that ramps are the most tenable of the methods to raise the blocks, yet they acknowledge that it is an incomplete method that must be supplemented by another device. Archaeological evidence for the use of ramps has been found at the Great Pyramid of Giza[24] and other pyramids. The method most accepted for assisting ramps is levering.[25] The archaeological record gives evidence of only small ramps and inclined causeways, not something that could have been used to construct even a majority of the monument. To add to the uncertainty, there is considerable evidence demonstrating that non-standardized or ad hoc construction methods were used in pyramid construction.[26][25]
Therefore, there are many proposed ramps and there is a considerable amount of discrepancy regarding what type of ramp was used to build the pyramids.[27] One of the widely discredited ramping methods is the large straight ramp, and it is routinely discredited on functional grounds for its massive size, lack of archaeological evidence, huge labor cost, and other problems[26][25] (Isler 2001: 213[28]).[clarification needed]
Other ramps serve to correct these problems of ramp size, yet either run into critiques of functionality and limited archaeological evidence. There are zig-zagging ramps, straight ramps using the incomplete part of the superstructure (Arnold 1991), spiraling ramps supported by the superstructure and spiraling ramps leaning on the monument as a large accretion are proposed. Mark Lehner speculated that a spiraling ramp, beginning in the stone quarry to the southeast and continuing around the exterior of the pyramid, may have been used. However, spiral ramps would have covered the building for decades fully and would not allow the regular layout of the exact pyramid square in equal distance to each base cornerstone as the only method to keep the exact geometric shape of the edges and side mantles. The stone blocks may have been drawn on sleds along the ramps lubricated by water.[29]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_ ... techniques
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Αρίστος έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 19:25
Some Problems with Houdin's Interior Ramp Theory
Jean-Pierre Houdin has developed a new theory regarding the manner in which the ancient Egyptians constructed the great pyramid of Khufu. It involves the construction of an interior ramp which spirals up inside the pyramid. Details can be found in his book Khufu, the Secrets Behind the Building of the Great Pyramid. The interior ramp theory is touted in the National Geographic DVD video "Unlocking the Great Pyramid" in which Mr. Houdin and professor Bob Brier explore the great pyramid and look for evidence of an internal tunnel spiraling up inside the pyramid. They found none.
The Houdin theory does not explain how the ramps were covered. The illustrations in his book Khufu,the Secrets Behind the Building of the Great Pyramid clearly show the interior ramps being overlaid with a corbelled ceiling. However, there is no explanation of how this could be done. Are the stone blocks carried up the stepwise internal ramp and then somehow placed to form a ceiling at the end of the tunnel? The illustrations in his book show a massive stone structure above the tunnel. How did it get there?
Mr. Houdin's theory requires that the finished facing stones be placed at each level as work progreses upward. The complex angles involved and the zig zag configuration of the interior ramp makes this an extremely complex, difficult, and time consuming task.
Pages 64 through 70 of his book illustrate a parallel wooden ramp perched on the sloping finished side of the pyramid with no explanation of how or when it was placed, or how it could be prevented from simply sliding off. Presumeabaly this wooden structure was used to place the rest of the stones surrounding the tunnel. However there is no reasonable explanation regarding how this could be done.
To counter the problem of making a right angled turn at each corner of the interior tunnel. Mr. Houdin assumes that the corners were left open and a human powered crane was necessary to negotiate the corner. Based on a variety of not always consistent information available on the internet and photos of the pyramids, it appears that the stone blocks were uniform and weighed approximately 5.4 tons each. A resolution of forces indicates that the force on the pivot point would have to be twice that, or 10.8 tons. A wooden structure would have to be extremely massive to support that weight. Where could it be placed so as not to be in the way? If the distance from the lever pivot point to the end lifting the load is 3 feet, the distance from the pivot point to the end pulled downward by the team would have to be 54 feet, assuming that the maximum pull by the team is 600 pounds. Where would the team stand when they are sticking out 54 feet in mid air from the corner? These massive wooden cranes and parallel wooden ramps clinging to the sloping sides of the pyramid are simply mothing more that figments of Mr. Houdin's imagination.
It is not necessary for the blocks to make a right angled turn at each corner. As explained in my web page, the blocks are moved in from all four sides at the same time. Each new row starts at the last block left extended from the previous adjacent row, as shown in this diagram.
Also the Houdin theory posits an extremely long interior ramp with the difficulty of making a right angle turn 24 times before reaching the top. In addition, his theory assumes that a masonry ramp was constructed leading up to the 141 foot level prior to the start of the internal ramp construction. For a 7% slope described in his web page, a masonry ramp 670 yards long would have to be constructed and dismanteled just to place some larger stones over the King's chamber. Needless to say, the ramp would have to be enlarged as each new course level was completed.
In addition all this, the Houdin internal ramp theory would require a continuous supply of burninig torches over the entire length of the ramp tunnel in order for the workmen to see what they were doing. They would be subjected to carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of many decades. This is a different situation from the formation and decoration of the burial chambers because much of that work was done before the chamber wwas roofed over.
http://www.fsteiger.com/houdin.html
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omg kai 3 lol έγραψε: ↑23 Μάιος 2024, 21:23
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