Ρώσικο σχίσμα

[μίστερ μαξ]

Αντε να διαλύεται σιγα σιγα η ορθοδοξία.

[dna replication]

από ποιον να τους προστατέψει; Από τον εαυτό τους;

φαίνεται πως το χρειάζονται

[Panos07]

Αντε να διαλύεται σιγα σιγα η ορθοδοξία.

Δυο χιλιετίες διαλύεται... Υπομονή...

[Σουβλίτσα]

Μια ενδιαφέρουσα άποψη για αυτό που συζητούσαμε παραπάνω, την πιθανή ανάμειξη του Ερντογάν (μαζί με τους Αμερικάνους) για το αυτοκέφαλο της Ουκρανίας:

Erdogan, Andrew Brunson and Ukrainian Church autocephaly

On Monday, a Turkish news website Dik Gazete published an article Erdogan’s Washington – Brunson – Ukraine game written by Adnan Cavusoglu. According to the author, there is a connection between the rumored release of Pastor Andrew Brunson on October 12, the Ecumenical Patriarchate’s decision to grant autocephaly (independence) to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and the ease of Washington’s sanctions on Turkey.

Despite Erdogan’s “no crisis” rhetoric the Turkish economy faces hard times under the US pressure. Turkey’s finance minister Berat Albayrak has recently introduced the so-called New Economic Program to tackle the consequences of sanctions.

One of Washington’s main conditions for lifting the sanctions is Brunson’s release. However, there is another one – the autocephaly for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), the author states.

In April, Kyiv, which strives to break away from the Russian Orthodox Church and create an independent Ukrainian Church, addressed the Ecumenical Patriarchate with an appeal to grant the autocephaly. According to Patriarch Bartholomew, who delivered a speech after the recent Sunday service, the still-ongoing official process is to yield the results shortly.

The previous week, in an interview to BBC Ukraine, the leader of Crimean Tatars and a member of the Ukrainian Parliament Mustafa Dzhemilev said that President Erdogan had confirmed his support in the process of granting autocephaly to the Ukrainian Church. “I told him that today Moscow is like a Mecca for the Orthodox but after the UOC becomes independent Istanbul will take the place of Moscow,” Dzhemilev noticed. According to him, when he and Ukrainian president Poroshenko met with Erdogan on July 12, the Turkish leader assured that he would do “everything possible” for the Ukrainian autocephaly and said that he understood the importance of this issue for the Crimean Tatars.

Mustafa Dzhemilev’s words mean that Ankara and personally President Erdogan, who can influence the Ecumenical Patriarchate, are involved in the Ukrainian problem. But what’s the benefit of such an involvement? It’s obvious that Istanbul won’t become a Mecca for the Orthodox. Ukraine with it’s poor economic situation also can hardly make a decent proposal to Turkey. It seems then that Ankara has reached an agreement with the White House.

An independent Ukrainian Orthodox Church is not the goal of only Kyiv, the Ecumenical Patriarchate or Ankara. It is of great importance for Washington, which intends to restrain Moscow’s influence in the region.

The sanctions’ withdrawal for the release of Brunson and Turkey’s approval of the “autocephaly process” – that’s the deal. It’s politics. Despite the fast-developing relations with Russia, Erdogan can make deals with its rivals. Of course, Moscow won’t like the Turkish leader’s step but on the eve of an economic crisis and under such pressure it is indeed wise to choose an option like this.

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/09/25/e ... tocephaly/

[Northern Spirit]

ΜΑ εδω οι αναλυτες το φορουμ μας λεγανε οτι ο Ερντογαν εγινε κολλητος του κοντου της Μοσχας και που το ΝΑΤΟ οπου να'ναι διαλυεται λογω αποχωρησης της Τουρκιας..
Να μην θυμηθω τα πανηγυρια για τις "νικες" στα..πρωτοσελιδα του κοντου σε βαορς του ΝΑΤΟ ή τους διαφορους που γραφανε πώς ο σουλτανος ξεφτυλιζει τις..ΗΠΑ..

Παντα πισω απο τις εξελιξεις οι ελ "αναλυτες"..

[Σουβλίτσα]

Πίθηκα, σταμάτα να την λες σε κάθε νήμα για τους Ελ αναλυτές, έχει καταντήσει σπαστικό.
Μείνε στο θέμα

[Northern Spirit]

Στο θεμα ειμαι αλλα καλο να τονιζουμε τα φεικ νιους και τις φεικ "αναλυσεις"...

[Σουβλίτσα]

Πίθηκα, μην κάνεις λες και είσαι ο σούπερ αναλυτής που μιλά με πληροφορίες μέσα κατευθείαν από τον Λευκό Οίκο
oh, wait...

[dna replication]

"We don't have a single coordinating center for the Orthodox Church anymore, we must be very clearly aware of that. The Constantinople Patriarchate has self-destroyed as such a center."

https://www.rt.com/news/441393-constant ... w-ukraine/

πατριάρχης Σερβίας Ειρηναίος

“Today our church is facing a great temptation. Our first hierarch, ecumenical patriarch [Bartholomew I], fell into the temptation to make a decision that may become catastrophic for the church, to make something he has no right for, to recognize the schismatic church and even give an autocephaly to it,”
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20181016 ... e-ukraine/

[Otto Weininger]

Και τι σημασία έχει ποιος υπάγεται που, για τη σωτηρία της ψυχής μας δεν παλεύουν όλοι αυτοί οι καλοί γενειοφόροι κύριοι;

Και Αθεος ;

[Σουβλίτσα]

Να κάνουμε ένα διάλειμμα για μια αναγκαιότατη ηχητική παρέμβαση, όσοι πιστοί προσέλθετε:

[dna replication]

μια μεγάλη ευκαιρία που χάθηκε για την Ορθοδοξία

[Σουβλίτσα]

SpoilerShow

...Την Πόλη ούτε εσείς ούτε εμείς. Θα την δώσουμε στους Έλληνες...

[dna replication]

Να κάνουμε ένα διάλειμμα για μια αναγκαιότατη ηχητική παρέμβαση,

η τσαρίτσα των ουρανών

[ΜπλεΜπουμπυς]

Όταν βγαίνει νέος Νονός και μοιράζονται οι φαμιλιες