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1 the confidentiality status was abolished in relation to this diary from
2 Mr. Mladic, which I know was admitted into evidence through a bar motion.
3 So for the time being we should remain in private session and once all
4 these documents are declassified, we will apply for this to be public.
5 This document is not on our list --
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon, do you confirm?
7 MR. HARMON: Yes, I do, Your Honour.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
9 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] It's 65 ter Defence document 03375D.
10 This is a meeting at the command post held on the 11th of March, 1995.
11 Q. General, we went through this during proofing. This is a lengthy
12 entry and I only wish to dwell on a number of details. It says
13 "Kovacevic," and then it says, "a job in Greece." To make it easier for
14 the Trial Chamber to later analyse the document, can you just tell us
15 briefly when this meeting took place, what it was about, and against what
16 background the meeting was held?
17 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Once we are done with this page,
18 could we please flip to the next page in both the B/C/S and the English.
19 Q. There is mention there of $2 million at the beginning of this
20 document. Could you just explain what that means.
21 A. I informed General Mladic that one should expect about $2 million
22 in terms of proceeds from the goods that were sold. That is what I had
23 been told by President Karadzic. The payment was to be made to one of
24 the accounts in Greece.
25 Q. On page 2 - Page 12746
1 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] And, Your Honours, you can see that,
2 I'm reading directly.
3 Q. It reads:
4 "From Israel - they offer joint combat against extreme Islam.
5 "- offer the training of our men in Greece at their expense.
6 They offer us special weapons for 500 men - sniper rifles for free - they
7 said it came to Bihac. I don't know whether it was given to Serbia."
8 End of quote.
9 General, this entry, what is it about, who is it about?
10 A. Yes, I remember this. I made two visits it to the Greek prime
11 minister, Mr. Papandreou. I also had a meeting with their foreign
12 minister, Mr. Papoulias, and their defence minister as well.
13 During one of these visits I was contacted by the Israeli
14 intelligence service. They informed me about quite a large number of
15 Mujahedin being dispatched to Bosnia-Herzegovina. They told me all about
16 the channels along which this operated and all about who was bank-rolling
17 the whole operation. They said the objective was to drive Serbs out of
18 certain areas altogether, specifically Ozren and Doboj.
19 They offered both weapons, a minor amount albeit, and to train
20 our men for free, but this was only to apply to fighting the Mujahedin.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Sorry, let me interrupt you, Mr. Kovacevic. In
22 your answer you tell us how you met the Greek prime minister and the
23 foreign minister and the defence minister, and that they offered to train
24 your men for free. But the question that is put to you is about an entry
25 that relates to Israel, not Greece. Look at the question that was put to
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2 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] Yes, Your Honour. I had to answer
3 like that. I was the one who was contacted. It wasn't something that
4 happened at my request. It was the Israeli intelligence service who
5 contacted me during my visit to Greece while I was visiting these
6 ministers. I did not at any point in time say that anyone from Greece or
7 indeed anyone from the Greek government made this offer. It was the
8 Israeli intelligence service and their representatives alone. More
9 specifically, the Mossad.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: I understand that. But if you had said that in
11 your answer that while you were in Greece you met Mossad people, rather
12 than tell us about Papandreou and other people, because those are not the
13 sources of your information. You confuse us. If you can please try to
14 focus on the question and answer the question. You see now you're --
15 instead of answering where you get the information from, you are giving
16 us the context, that you got the information while you were in Greece
17 meeting these people, and that's not part of the answer. And you will go
18 home sooner if you can do that. Thank you very much.
19 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] I truly apologise for my
20 clumsiness, Your Honour.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: You are not being clumsy, but it's in the manner
22 of speaking.
23 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Next page, please, both the B/C/S and
24 the English. The last entry on that page, please.
25 Q. General, it reads, again your words, apparently:
