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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Kauldron » 08 Δεκ 2023, 14:33

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Το είχα υποψιαστεί ότι εκτός από σκατόψυχος είσαι και στόκος, αλλά τώρα μου το επιβεβαίωσες.
Κι εγώ το είχα υποψιαστεί οτι είσαι Αλμπάνι και ντρέπεσαι να το πείς (λογικό), αλλά τώρα μου το επιβεβαιώνεις.
Ρε συ συναγωνιζεσαι με τα λάχανα για το βαθμό ευφυΐας σου.
Πολλά νεύρα, φίλε Αλβανέ μεροκαματιάρη. Πήγαινε στην Ουκρανία, ζητάνε κόΖμο. :c020:
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Μια φορά ριξαμε για πλάκα και αβολιδωτο, τοσο αρχιδια ειχαμε.

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από giotis2005 » 08 Δεκ 2023, 14:45

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Κι εγώ το είχα υποψιαστεί οτι είσαι Αλμπάνι και ντρέπεσαι να το πείς (λογικό), αλλά τώρα μου το επιβεβαιώνεις.
Ρε συ συναγωνιζεσαι με τα λάχανα για το βαθμό ευφυΐας σου.
Πολλά νεύρα, φίλε Αλβανέ μεροκαματιάρη. Πήγαινε στην Ουκρανία, ζητάνε κόΖμο. :c020:
Δεν είναι και τόσο έξυπνο να τα βάζω χαζούς σαν και του λόγου σου. Δεν με παρασύρεις.
:c020::c020:

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Наше дело правое - победа будет за нами!

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Kauldron » 08 Δεκ 2023, 17:10

giotis2005 έγραψε:
08 Δεκ 2023, 14:45
Kauldron έγραψε:
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Ρε συ συναγωνιζεσαι με τα λάχανα για το βαθμό ευφυΐας σου.
Πολλά νεύρα, φίλε Αλβανέ μεροκαματιάρη. Πήγαινε στην Ουκρανία, ζητάνε κόΖμο. :c020:
Δεν είναι και τόσο έξυπνο να τα βάζω χαζούς σαν και του λόγου σου. Δεν με παρασύρεις.
:c020::c020:
:003:
Αμ καλά τα 'λεγα εγώ. Άλμπαν.
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Μια φορά ριξαμε για πλάκα και αβολιδωτο, τοσο αρχιδια ειχαμε.

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Κολντρον,Πολλαπλασιαστης,η Καραμελιτσα και οι φιλες της σε ομορφες οικεγενειακες στιγμες


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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

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At this critical moment for Ukraine, Biden must face the truth – and rethink his strategy
Emma Ashford


On Wednesday President Biden gave a speech from the White House calling on Congress to pass aid for Ukraine. He tried every trick in the book: pointing to the domestic economic benefits of military spending, highlighting the national security implications of aid, and even accusing Republicans in Congress of giving “Putin the greatest gift he can hope for”.

Hours later, every single Republican senator voted against the bill that would have given more aid to Ukraine. It’s just the latest setback for Ukraine, as something that had until only months ago been considered almost inevitable – continuing US funding for the war – has become highly uncertain. It’s a signal of the extent to which Ukraine aid has become a political football in the US, and a sign that it is likely to feature as a point of contention in next year’s presidential campaign.

The controversy could not have come at a worse time for Ukraine. The country’s much anticipated 2023 counteroffensive has yielded few gains, western support is declining generally, and the winter is likely to see another extensive Russian bombing campaign. The war in Gaza is taking attention and resources away from Ukraine, and recriminations about the failed winter offensive – along with signs of discord among Ukrainian leaders – have begun to appear in strategic news leaks.

At the same time, many of these problems were foreseeable, even months ago. The American public, wearied by two decades of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, was never going to support a lengthy, stalemated war in Ukraine, especially when the conflict has already cost the American taxpayer more than $75bn (£60bn). It is also hard to imagine Ukraine’s allies prioritising defence investment and meeting the embattled country’s significant ammunition and equipment needs in a time of economic slowdown.

Indeed, even a successful Ukraine counteroffensive wouldn’t have solved all these problems. But as a recent Washington Post exposé highlighted, Ukrainian forces didn’t meet even the minimum bar for success in that campaign. Troops were hobbled by a mismatch between US and Ukrainian views of strategy, some poor tactical decisions on the part of the Ukrainian leadership, and Russian defensive fortifications that proved far more solid and effective than expected. In early November, Ukraine’s top general, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, admitted to an interviewer that the war was at a stalemate.

After 18 months of triumphalist rhetoric, reality is beginning to set in. Now policymakers in Kyiv and their western partners must answer some challenging questions: how much territory can Ukraine realistically recover through military means? How long will western public opinion continue to support funding the war? When does failure to invest in our defence industrial base mean that our stockpiles are insufficient to resource Ukraine?


Perhaps the most important question in the short term is that of US funding. The country has provided the lion’s share of military aid to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion, and though Congress may eventually approve more Ukraine spending, it’s notable that even Republican hawks such as Lindsey Graham continue to insist that any further aid be tied to immigration reform, a notoriously difficult topic under any circumstances.

If Congress does not approve further spending in Ukraine, the burden will pass to European states, some of whom are also increasingly concerned about the costs of supporting Ukraine. It will place Ukraine in a difficult – though not necessarily catastrophic – position. The country was already beginning to pivot to defence, hunkering down for the winter and seeking to fortify current lines against future Russian attacks; a shortfall in aid will only make that shift more urgent.

The big long-term question for the Biden administration is what US policy towards the war looks like going forward. Thus far, the administration has been curiously unwilling to consider the future course of the war and whether it is sustainable. Publicly, the president has mostly doubled down on his tough rhetoric, telling Congress that they must vote for aid or let Putin win.

But given the present circumstances, the administration needs to formulate a plausible plan B for how to proceed – whether or not Congress approves additional funding. There’s relatively little point in pushing for a ceasefire: so long as Moscow perceives the potential for a Donald Trump re-election in November next year, Russian leaders are unlikely to agree to a deal. But the groundwork could be laid now by opening lines of communication with Moscow, and beginning a frank and open conversation with Kyiv and other European allies about the endgame of the war.

They also need a better narrative. For much of the last year, the White House has argued that US support should be focused on helping Ukraine retake territory. But this limits US policymakers and makes the failure by Ukraine to retake territory a Russian win almost by default. Instead, the White House should seek to build a new narrative: that this is a war of defence for Ukraine, and a strategic defeat for Russia, and that the US can support Ukraine while also acknowledging that there are other national security priorities that might need to take precedence. This narrative is less aspirational, but more pragmatic.

Attempting to transition the war in Ukraine to a lower-stakes defensive conflict in the next year will not necessarily be popular, either in Kyiv, or among US allies in Europe. Nor is it a plan that would win the war or offer significant territorial gains. But it is a plan that can prevent Ukrainian losses. And most importantly, if the Biden administration is re-elected in November, this approach would place them in a much stronger position to pursue armistice negotiations in late 2024.

Emma Ashford is a senior fellow with the Reimagining US Grand Strategy programme at the Stimson Center, Washington DC, and the author of Oil, the State and War
When does failure to invest in our defence industrial base mean that our stockpiles are insufficient to resource Ukraine
Περίεργο. Η Ρωσία δεν ήταν αυτή που θα έμενε απο πυρομαχικά;


But the groundwork could be laid now by opening lines of communication with Moscow, and beginning a frank and open conversation with Kyiv and other European allies about the endgame of the war
Επικοινωνία των φιλελεύθερων δημοκρατιών με τον αυταρχικό δικτάτορα Πούτιν για το τέλος του πολέμου;

They also need a better narrative...
Καλύτερο αφήγημα; Δηλαδή τόσο καιρό ακούγαμε ... αφηγήματα; Όχι την αλήθεια;



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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από nick » 08 Δεκ 2023, 22:02

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Θα γίνει η ουκρανια δεύτερο Βιετνάμ λέει.
Ακομα δεν έχει πιει το τσάι; :smt017

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

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Εξυφαίνεται κοσμοϊστορικών διαστάσεων ήττα της δύσης.
Μάγκας χωρίς λόγο ο μποτοξάκιας.
ε όχι και χωρίς λόγο
Наше дело правое - победа будет за нами!

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

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At this critical moment for Ukraine, Biden must face the truth – and rethink his strategy
Emma Ashford


On Wednesday President Biden gave a speech from the White House calling on Congress to pass aid for Ukraine. He tried every trick in the book: pointing to the domestic economic benefits of military spending, highlighting the national security implications of aid, and even accusing Republicans in Congress of giving “Putin the greatest gift he can hope for”.

Hours later, every single Republican senator voted against the bill that would have given more aid to Ukraine. It’s just the latest setback for Ukraine, as something that had until only months ago been considered almost inevitable – continuing US funding for the war – has become highly uncertain. It’s a signal of the extent to which Ukraine aid has become a political football in the US, and a sign that it is likely to feature as a point of contention in next year’s presidential campaign.

The controversy could not have come at a worse time for Ukraine. The country’s much anticipated 2023 counteroffensive has yielded few gains, western support is declining generally, and the winter is likely to see another extensive Russian bombing campaign. The war in Gaza is taking attention and resources away from Ukraine, and recriminations about the failed winter offensive – along with signs of discord among Ukrainian leaders – have begun to appear in strategic news leaks.

At the same time, many of these problems were foreseeable, even months ago. The American public, wearied by two decades of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, was never going to support a lengthy, stalemated war in Ukraine, especially when the conflict has already cost the American taxpayer more than $75bn (£60bn). It is also hard to imagine Ukraine’s allies prioritising defence investment and meeting the embattled country’s significant ammunition and equipment needs in a time of economic slowdown.

Indeed, even a successful Ukraine counteroffensive wouldn’t have solved all these problems. But as a recent Washington Post exposé highlighted, Ukrainian forces didn’t meet even the minimum bar for success in that campaign. Troops were hobbled by a mismatch between US and Ukrainian views of strategy, some poor tactical decisions on the part of the Ukrainian leadership, and Russian defensive fortifications that proved far more solid and effective than expected. In early November, Ukraine’s top general, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, admitted to an interviewer that the war was at a stalemate.

After 18 months of triumphalist rhetoric, reality is beginning to set in. Now policymakers in Kyiv and their western partners must answer some challenging questions: how much territory can Ukraine realistically recover through military means? How long will western public opinion continue to support funding the war? When does failure to invest in our defence industrial base mean that our stockpiles are insufficient to resource Ukraine?


Perhaps the most important question in the short term is that of US funding. The country has provided the lion’s share of military aid to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion, and though Congress may eventually approve more Ukraine spending, it’s notable that even Republican hawks such as Lindsey Graham continue to insist that any further aid be tied to immigration reform, a notoriously difficult topic under any circumstances.

If Congress does not approve further spending in Ukraine, the burden will pass to European states, some of whom are also increasingly concerned about the costs of supporting Ukraine. It will place Ukraine in a difficult – though not necessarily catastrophic – position. The country was already beginning to pivot to defence, hunkering down for the winter and seeking to fortify current lines against future Russian attacks; a shortfall in aid will only make that shift more urgent.

The big long-term question for the Biden administration is what US policy towards the war looks like going forward. Thus far, the administration has been curiously unwilling to consider the future course of the war and whether it is sustainable. Publicly, the president has mostly doubled down on his tough rhetoric, telling Congress that they must vote for aid or let Putin win.

But given the present circumstances, the administration needs to formulate a plausible plan B for how to proceed – whether or not Congress approves additional funding. There’s relatively little point in pushing for a ceasefire: so long as Moscow perceives the potential for a Donald Trump re-election in November next year, Russian leaders are unlikely to agree to a deal. But the groundwork could be laid now by opening lines of communication with Moscow, and beginning a frank and open conversation with Kyiv and other European allies about the endgame of the war.

They also need a better narrative. For much of the last year, the White House has argued that US support should be focused on helping Ukraine retake territory. But this limits US policymakers and makes the failure by Ukraine to retake territory a Russian win almost by default. Instead, the White House should seek to build a new narrative: that this is a war of defence for Ukraine, and a strategic defeat for Russia, and that the US can support Ukraine while also acknowledging that there are other national security priorities that might need to take precedence. This narrative is less aspirational, but more pragmatic.

Attempting to transition the war in Ukraine to a lower-stakes defensive conflict in the next year will not necessarily be popular, either in Kyiv, or among US allies in Europe. Nor is it a plan that would win the war or offer significant territorial gains. But it is a plan that can prevent Ukrainian losses. And most importantly, if the Biden administration is re-elected in November, this approach would place them in a much stronger position to pursue armistice negotiations in late 2024.

Emma Ashford is a senior fellow with the Reimagining US Grand Strategy programme at the Stimson Center, Washington DC, and the author of Oil, the State and War
When does failure to invest in our defence industrial base mean that our stockpiles are insufficient to resource Ukraine
Περίεργο. Η Ρωσία δεν ήταν αυτή που θα έμενε απο πυρομαχικά;


But the groundwork could be laid now by opening lines of communication with Moscow, and beginning a frank and open conversation with Kyiv and other European allies about the endgame of the war
Επικοινωνία των φιλελεύθερων δημοκρατιών με τον αυταρχικό δικτάτορα Πούτιν για το τέλος του πολέμου;

They also need a better narrative...
Καλύτερο αφήγημα; Δηλαδή τόσο καιρό ακούγαμε ... αφηγήματα; Όχι την αλήθεια;



Εξυφαίνεται κοσμοϊστορικών διαστάσεων ήττα της δύσης.
Μάγκας χωρίς λόγο ο μποτοξάκιας.
:giggle:
"Καλύτερα να φορέσω το κράνος του Κόκκινου Στρατού παρά να φάω χάμπουργκερ στα mc Donald's"

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από dna replication » 09 Δεκ 2023, 16:58

στην προσπάθεια να πειστούν οι ρεπουμπλικάνοι γερουσιαστές να ψηφίσουν τη βοήθεια στο Κίεβο, γινονται όλο και περισσότερες αποκαλύψεις. ιδιαίτερα απο τον Μπλίνκεν
Εικόνα

1. 90% of all US money allocated to Ukraine did not get to Ukraine. Most of it stayed in the US.
2. This money was used to support the military-industrial complex and create new jobs.
3. This spending ratio is a win-win situation for everyone, so "more aid for Ukraine" should be allocated.

Not that this is some kind of secret, let's just note that it's not even hidden anymore.

είναι καλός για την ανάπτυξη ο πόλεμος στην Ουκρανία
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... omy-boost/
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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από Pollaplasiastis » 10 Δεκ 2023, 11:28

Αλλο ενα αμερικανικο καναλι καταληγει σε αυτονοητα συμπερασματα κ αλλαζει ροτα προς την ουδετεροτητα, βλεποντας τα απανωτα λαθη της αμερικανικης εξωτερικης πολιτικης κ την σαπιλα του ουκρανικου βαθεως κρατους.....
Μικρος δημιουργος αλλα πολυ μελετημενος.
Αναποφευκτα τα συμπερασματα του για το κοντινο μελλον. Δωστε προσοχη κ αν εχετε υπομονη δειτε το ολο, να καταλαβαιτε μερικα αυτονοητα λογικα αποτελεσματα που κανει μονο με απλη παρατηρηση των πληφοριων που διαθετει.
Ιδιως για οσους ειστε "σλαβα ουκραινι" μαλλον καλα θα κανατε να δωσετε προσοση.

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Re: εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία Νο2

Μη αναγνωσμένη δημοσίευση από student » 10 Δεκ 2023, 12:14

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/1 ... g-victory/

Putin’s Russia is closing in on a devastating victory. Europe’s foundations are trembling

Kyiv’s counter-offensive has ended in failure. This could be Nato’s Suez moment

Daniel Hannan
9 December 2023 • 5:03pm

We need to talk about Ukraine. While the world’s attention has been focused on the war between Israel and Hamas, grim tremors have been shaking that rich, black soil. Ukraine’s counteroffensive has failed – or, in Volodymyr Zelensky’s words, “did not achieve the desired results”.

As exhausted Ukrainians fall back from Russia’s ramparts and minefields, the initiative is swinging to the invaders. Russia is advancing through the skeletal remains of what used to be Marinka, a city in Donetsk, perhaps of greater psychological than strategic importance. Missiles are again hitting Kyiv. Ukraine’s first lady, Olena Zelenska, has taken to the BBC to warn that her country is in “mortal danger”.

Now, it is the Ukrainians’ turn to dig in, to try to hold what they have. As in 1914, a fortified line runs the length of the front, from the Dnieper delta to the Russian border. And, as then, military technology favours the defender, so that tiny gains are bought at terrible cost.

The First World War eventually ended in part because the Allies had greater manpower. Brutally, they were able, especially after America had fully mobilised by the beginning of 1918, to throw more men at the front lines than the Central Powers.

This time, the demographic advantage is with Russia, whose population is three-and-a-quarter times the size of Ukraine’s. Russia has switched a third of its pre-war civilian production to weapons and ammunition, and may now have the edge when it comes to drones – that modern equivalent of the barbed wire and machine guns that gave the defending side such a lethal advantage in the Flanders mud.

The long-term costs to the Russian people of this shift to a wartime economy are dreadful. Vladimir Putin has condemned his long-suffering muzhiks to years of penury and hunger. But, for now, it has done the trick. Russia has made it through to winter without a Ukrainian breakthrough.

We are all prone to hindsight bias, and there will no doubt be articles about how it was always going to be tough to unseat entrenched defenders. But this stalemate was far from predictable when the counteroffensive was launched in June.

I was one of those who expected Ukraine to break through to the Sea of Azov, a move that might well have ended the war. During 2022, Ukraine had demonstrated that Russia could not resupply Crimea across the Kerch Strait. Breaking the land bridge would have left the Russian garrison on the peninsula cut off. Ukraine could have turned off its electricity and food, and a negotiating space would have opened.

Why did I get it wrong? I had been talking not only to Ukrainians, but to British military observers with direct knowledge of the battlefield. They had watched the extraordinary Ukrainian gains in Kharkiv and Kherson in 2022 – gains that had emboldened the West to offer the kinds of matériel that they had previously held back from sending, lest it fall into enemy hands.

Ukraine now had long-range missiles, mine-clearing kit and modern tanks. At the same time, the Prigozhin mutiny had shown how soft Russia was behind the hard shell of its front lines.

But the invaders had learnt from their earlier mistakes. While Ukraine rushed to train its men in how to operate their new weapons last spring, Russia seeded mile after mile of landmines, built fortifications, dug trenches and amassed drones.

Putin needs only to hang on for another 12 months. Even if Donald Trump is not elected – the former president makes no secret of his admiration for the Russian tyrant, once going so far as to declare that he trusted Putin before the US security services – Republican congressmen have turned against the war. Last week, they blocked President Biden’s £88 billion aid package to Ukraine.

Their concern is supposedly financial, but a bigger motive may be their partisan dislike of Biden, the same ignoble impulse that led an earlier generation of Republican congressmen to oppose Harry Truman’s war in Korea. For the MAGA wing, there is also a lingering resentment of the cameo role that Ukraine played in the Trump impeachment drama.

You can’t have missed the spring in Putin’s step. For a long time, he was too scared to stray beyond Russia’s borders. Quite apart from an international arrest warrant, he had a well-founded fear of assassination. His only foreign ventures were to former Soviet states, and two friendly dictatorships: Iran and China.

But, this week, he visited two neutral dictatorships – the UAE and Saudi Arabia. The footage shows beyond doubt that it was the despot in person, not a body double. What gave him confidence to travel to places that have security links with the West? Is it possible that some tentative entente has been reached? Might the Saudis have been asked to sound him out, discretely and deniably, as a possible prelude to peace talks?

If so, we risk a Suez-level disaster for the Western democracies. Any deal that rewards Russian aggression will signal to the rest of the world that Nato, with all its collective wealth and weaponry, could not succeed in the minimal goal of rescuing a country that its two most powerful members, the US and the UK, had undertaken to protect.

The case for intervention in Ukraine is not that it is a liberal democracy. Sure, it is vastly more liberal than Russia, but it falls well short of our standards. Russophile parties have been banned, and there is a worry that the crackdown might extend to pro-Western opposition politicians, too. This week, I was at a meeting of global Centre-Right parties at which Petro Poroshenko, the former president, was meant to speak. At the last minute, he and two of his MPs were banned from leaving Ukraine – and though Poroshenko patriotically declined to make a fuss, it left me wondering, not for the first time, why Zelensky refuses to draw other parties into a wartime coalition.

Then again, Poland was run by an authoritarian government in 1939. That did not alter the fact that it was attacked without provocation after we had guaranteed its independence – just as we guaranteed Ukraine’s independence in 1994 when it surrendered its nuclear arsenal.

While we are not ourselves at war this time, we are so invested in the Ukrainian cause that a Russian victory – and absorbing conquered territory is a Russian victory, present it how you will – would mean a catastrophic loss of prestige for the West and the ideas associated with it: personal freedom, democracy and human rights.

Conflicts will spread as regimes that never cared for liberal values in the first place realise that there is no longer a policeman on the corner. Venezuela’s outrageous claims against Commonwealth Guyana are just the start of this process.

“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion... but rather by its superiority in applying organised violence,” wrote Samuel Huntington. “Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

But this is not yet over. Ukraine has driven Russia out of the western Black Sea, which is open again to international shipping. We should be on our guard against the tendency that George Orwell observed during the Second World War, whereby intellectuals over-interpret each new military development – a tendency, he believed, not shared by ordinary people. Just as there was excessive pessimism immediately after Russia invaded, and excessive euphoria when Kherson was retaken, so we should not infer too much from this setback.

It is still possible to imagine a peace deal that does not overtly reward aggression. Perhaps the eastern oblasts could win autonomy under loose Ukrainian suzerainty; perhaps an internationally supervised referendum might be held in a demilitarised Crimea.

But if Russia ends up annexing land by force, it is not just the West that will lose; it is the entire post-1945 international order.

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