άνοιξα degiro
άνοιξα degiro
αλλά τώρα δεν ξέρω τι πρέπει να κάνω. Εννοώ τελείως πρακτικά. Πρέπει να βάλω λεφτά στον λογαριασμό μετρητών; Κι από το εκεί υπόλοιπο τραβάω για επενδύσεις;
Re: άνοιξα degiro
ναι αυτό πρέπει να κάνω έεεεεχεχε το βρήκα
Re: άνοιξα degiro
Δεν εχεις revolut;
"Chiedi a un bambino di disegnare una macchina e sicuramente la farà rossa"
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Re: άνοιξα degiro
καλή επιλογή για ευρώπη, το είχα βάλει ως ερώητημα παλαιότερα στο chatgpt και μου το έβγαλε στα τοπ τρία προτεινόμενα
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δαγκάνουν οι προμήθειες εκεί, αν και οφείλω να ομολογήσω ότι το έχουν φτιάξει πολύ καλά το αππ
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Re: άνοιξα degiro
Αν έχεις το prime, σου δινουν 3 συναλλαγες δωράκι το μηναΣΑΤΑΝΙΚΟΣ ΕΓΚΕΦΑΛΟΣ έγραψε: ↑10 Δεκ 2024, 15:41δαγκάνουν οι προμήθειες εκεί, αν και οφείλω να ομολογήσω ότι το έχουν φτιάξει πολύ καλά το αππ

"Chiedi a un bambino di disegnare una macchina e sicuramente la farà rossa"
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σωστόστ, το έχουν κάνει μια η άλλη, οι κιορατάδες
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Re: άνοιξα degiro
λάθος, πενδε συναλλαγες το μήνα, τωρα το ειδα.
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Re: άνοιξα degiro
Επενδυσες σε σουβλατζιδικο?
Ειμαστε η μοναδικη χωρα με Χατζηαβατη στην Κυβερνηση και Καραγκιοζη στην Αντιπολιτευση.
Re: άνοιξα degiro
διάβασα ότι δε λέει πολύ για επενδύσεις.
Πάντως δε σκοπεύω να κυνηγάω χρηματιστήρια, απλώς θα τοποθετηθώ σε κανένα ETF (λέω να το σκεφτώ μέχρι το τέλος του χρόνου ώστε να αποφύγω να πρέπει να δηλώσω μαλακίες στη δήλωση για 15 μέρες) και θα τα ξεχάσω 3-4 χρόνια.
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ΜΙα χαρά λέει, το χρησιμοποιώ απο πριν τον κοβιντ και ειναι πανευκολο και ωραίο.
"Chiedi a un bambino di disegnare una macchina e sicuramente la farà rossa"
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Εγω το χρησιμοποιω για την παιδικη καρτα που εχει η μικρη ωστε να τη χαρτζηλικωνω μικροποσα και καμια φορα αν καποιο e-shop δε μου γεμιζει το ματι πληρωνω με καρτα μιας χρησης. Και αν και δεν το εχω κανει (γιατι δε γουσταρω να περασω τις επαφες) ισως καποια στιγμη δωσω μικροποσο σε φιλο πχ. για ταβερνα στυλ IRIS.Ερμής έγραψε: ↑10 Δεκ 2024, 16:04ΜΙα χαρά λέει, το χρησιμοποιώ απο πριν τον κοβιντ και ειναι πανευκολο και ωραίο.
Τι επενδυσεις λες εσυ; Αυτον τον αποταμιευτικο με το 1.5% επιτοκιο και ελευθερες αναληψεις; Δεν ξερω μου φαινεται too good to be true.
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Μετοχές κρυπτό κλπ
"Chiedi a un bambino di disegnare una macchina e sicuramente la farà rossa"
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Ξενέρωσα λίγο γιατί δεν έχει κανένα από τα αμερικανικά EFTs που ήθελα. Έχει κάτι S&P 500 ευρωπαϊκά. Δε μπορώ να καταλάβω τι διαφορές έχουν.
Αισθάνομαι ότι είμαι σε αχαρτογράφητα νερά.
Αισθάνομαι ότι είμαι σε αχαρτογράφητα νερά.
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Υπάρχει διαφορετικό πλαίσιο στην αγία ΕΕ, και γενικά δεν θες να μπλέξεις με αμερικάνικη εφορία. Είναι η τυχερή σου ημέρα γτ είχα θέσει το θέμα στο chatgpt παλαιότερα και έχω κρατήσει το τσατ
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As a non-U.S. citizen and resident of a European Union (EU) country, gaining access to U.S.-based investment vehicles like **target date funds** can be more complicated due to regulations and brokerage limitations. However, it’s still possible with the right approach. Here are some strategies for accessing these investment options:
### 1. **Opening an International Brokerage Account**
Several international brokerages allow non-U.S. citizens, including EU residents, to invest in U.S. financial products such as mutual funds and ETFs (including target date funds). Here are a few options:
#### a. **Interactive Brokers (IBKR)**
- **Availability**: One of the best options for EU residents as IBKR supports clients from many countries worldwide.
- **Access**: You can trade U.S.-based mutual funds, ETFs, and individual stocks, including popular target date funds like those from Vanguard, Fidelity, and T. Rowe Price.
- **Tax Compliance**: IBKR offers U.S. tax reporting tools for non-U.S. citizens (including FATCA and W-8BEN forms, which handle U.S. tax withholding).
#### b. **Swissquote**
- **Availability**: Based in Switzerland, Swissquote provides access to global markets, including U.S. financial products, for non-U.S. citizens.
- **Access**: You can invest in U.S. stocks, ETFs, and mutual funds. However, Swissquote’s fees may be higher than some of the other options.
#### c. **Saxo Bank**
- **Availability**: Saxo Bank is a Danish investment bank that offers EU residents access to global markets, including U.S. ETFs and mutual funds.
- **Access**: You can invest in U.S.-based ETFs, but Saxo Bank does not provide direct access to U.S. mutual funds like target date funds due to European regulations (more on this below).
#### d. **Degiro**
- **Availability**: Degiro is a Dutch broker popular in the EU for low-cost trading. It provides access to U.S. ETFs, but not U.S. mutual funds like Vanguard’s target date funds.
- **Access**: While Degiro doesn’t offer U.S. mutual funds, you can find EU-domiciled ETFs that serve a similar purpose (more on this below).
### 2. **Regulatory Challenges (UCITS vs. U.S. Mutual Funds)**
Due to EU regulations, **U.S. mutual funds** are generally **not available to EU residents**. The EU requires funds marketed to EU residents to comply with the **Undertakings for the Collective Investment in Transferable Securities (UCITS)** directive. U.S.-based mutual funds (such as Vanguard's Target Retirement Funds) are typically not UCITS-compliant, so you won't be able to buy them directly unless you are using a broker that circumvents these restrictions or you have a U.S.-based account.
#### Solution: **UCITS-Compliant Target Date ETFs**
To work around this, you can invest in **UCITS-compliant ETFs**, which are available to EU residents and provide a similar structure to U.S.-based target date funds. These funds are domiciled in the EU and follow the same principles, often with the following advantages:
- **Lower tax complexity** for non-U.S. residents.
- **Available via EU brokers** like Saxo Bank, Degiro, or Swissquote.
#### Examples of UCITS-Compliant Funds:
- **BlackRock iShares ETFs**: Offers various UCITS-compliant ETFs, including lifecycle and retirement-focused ETFs.
- **iShares MSCI World UCITS ETF**: A globally diversified stock ETF that can serve as the growth component of your portfolio.
- **iShares Global Government Bond UCITS ETF**: Could serve as the bond portion for more conservative investors.
- **Vanguard UCITS ETFs**: Although you cannot access Vanguard U.S. mutual funds directly, Vanguard does offer UCITS-compliant ETFs in Europe.
- **Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF**: A diversified global stock ETF.
- **Vanguard Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF**: A bond fund option to balance equity risk.
### 3. **Setting Up a U.S. Brokerage Account (If Possible)**
Another option is to open a U.S. brokerage account directly, though this can be challenging if you are an EU resident. Some platforms may still allow you to open accounts if you have ties to the U.S., such as a Social Security Number (SSN), Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), or U.S. address (for instance, if you’ve previously lived in the U.S.).
Some brokerage firms that might support non-U.S. residents include:
- **Charles Schwab International**: Schwab allows non-U.S. citizens to open accounts, but not in all countries. EU residents may have varying levels of access depending on your specific country of residence.
- **TD Ameritrade**: Offers accounts to some international investors, though again, availability may depend on your specific location.
### 4. **U.S. Tax Implications for Non-Citizens**
If you invest in U.S.-based financial products, you’ll need to be aware of U.S. tax regulations for non-resident aliens (NRAs):
- **Withholding Tax**: Dividends and certain other U.S. income may be subject to a 30% withholding tax. However, treaties between the U.S. and the EU often reduce this tax. For example, Greece has a 15% tax treaty rate for dividends.
- **Capital Gains**: The U.S. typically does not tax capital gains for non-resident aliens, but you may owe taxes in your home country on these gains.
- **W-8BEN Form**: This form allows non-U.S. investors to claim reduced tax rates based on tax treaties and to avoid paying U.S. taxes on capital gains.
### 5. **Alternative: Invest in European Target Date Funds**
Some European asset managers offer target date funds specifically for EU residents. These funds may not be as well-known as U.S. target date funds but serve the same purpose of adjusting the portfolio as you approach retirement. Examples include:
- **Fidelity Target Retirement Funds (UK/Europe)**: Fidelity offers a range of retirement-focused funds in the UK and the EU. These funds operate similarly to U.S.-based target date funds but are domiciled in Europe and compliant with local regulations.
- **Amundi Funds**: Amundi is one of Europe’s largest asset managers and offers lifecycle and retirement-focused funds that may be available to EU residents through local brokerages.
### 6. **ETFs Mimicking Target Date Fund Strategies**
If you can’t access direct target date funds, you can build your own "DIY" target date portfolio using a combination of ETFs. Here’s how you could construct such a portfolio:
- **Equity ETFs for Growth** (when you are further from retirement):
- **Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF** (for global stock exposure).
- **SPDR S&P 500 UCITS ETF** (U.S. stock market exposure).
- **Bond ETFs for Stability** (as you near retirement):
- **iShares Global Government Bond UCITS ETF**.
- **Vanguard Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF**.
You can periodically adjust the allocation to more bonds and fewer stocks as you approach your retirement date, mimicking the glide path of a traditional target date fund.
### Conclusion
As an EU citizen, gaining access to U.S. target date funds requires careful planning, but alternatives exist:
- **International brokers** like Interactive Brokers or Saxo Bank can provide access to U.S.-based ETFs, though not U.S. mutual funds.
- **UCITS-compliant ETFs** are the easiest way for EU residents to access diversified, retirement-focused funds with similar principles to target date funds.
- If you're willing to manage the glide path manually, constructing your own portfolio using ETFs through an EU-based broker is also an option.
Each path has its pros and cons, but with the right strategy, you can build a robust retirement investment portfolio.
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