7άρια windows - τι είναι το χειρότερο που μπορεί να συμβεί;

[Jack Shephard]

Αυτό μπορεί να το κάνεις σε έναν server που τα δεδομένα ενδεχομένως αξίζουν εκατομμύρια και η σύνδεση στο Ιντερνετ για να τα υποκλέψεις είναι το μπουρί της σόμπας.

Δε νομίζω ότι αποτελεί ρεαλιστικό κίνδυνο για έναν οικιακό υπολογιστή.

Γιατί νομίζεις ότι κάνουν upload όλα τα αρχεία; Αρχεία office, pdfs, βάσεις δεδομένων, email indexes, τέτοια αρχεία παίρνουν. Και δε τους κοστίζει τίποτα να τα διαρρεύσουν. Τουλάχιστον αυτή θα είναι η απειλή για το χρήστη.

Ο κίνδυνος για οικιακούς χρήστες είναι πάντως πραγματικά μικρότερος. Η συμβουλή σου όμως να παραμείνει σε Windows 7 σε ένα χρήστη που καταφανώς δε ξέρει να προστατέψει το δίκτυο και το PC του με εναλλακτικούς τρόπους μόνο και μόνο για να μην ξεβολευτεί για λίγες ώρες που θα του πάρει η αναβάθμιση είναι λάθος.

Φοβάται, δυσανασχετεί, δε θέλει να ασχοληθεί ο ίδιος; Ας δώσει ένα πενηντάρικο (και καστοστάρικο) σε ένα τεχνικό να του κάνει όλη τη δουλειά. Αυτό θεωρώ εγώ το σωστό. Όταν υπάρχουν απειλές που δε χρειάζεται καν ο χρήστης να κάνει κάποιο λάθος για να τις εκμεταλλευτεί κάποιος κακόβουλος.

[axilmar]

Συγνώμη αλλά πολλά ransomware variants πλέον δεν κρυπτογραφούν απλώς τα δεδομένα.

Ακριβώς επειδή ο στόχος τους είναι πρωτίστως εταιρείες και οργανισμοί και οι σοβαρές εταιρείες και οργανισμοί έχουν πολιτική backup, πλέον εκτός από κρυπτογράφηση γίνεται και υποκλοπή των δεδομένων. Και ο εκβιασμός είναι "δε πα να τα κάνεις restore. Έτσι και δε μας πληρώσεις σε 1-2 ημέρες, θα διαρρεύσουμε τα δεδομένα σου στο internet.". Και το κάνουν.

Πραγματικά αυτή τη στιγμή υπάρχουν περίπου 0 μηδέν λόγοι να μείνει κανείς σε OS που δεν υποστηρίζεται και μπόλικοι πολύ σοβαροί λόγοι για μη μείνει κάποιος σε αυτό.

Για τα windows 10 θα διαβάσει κανείς διάφορα. Βασικά είναι μια χαρά λειτουργικό, σταθερό και απροβλημάτιστο.

Ναι αλλά έχουν πάει το telemetry σε ΑΛΛΟ επίπεδο. Έχω βαρεθεί να κόβω IPs, το TCP Log View χτυπάει κόκκινα.
Ακόμα και με VPN (καλό VPN, όχι οι συνήθεις πούτσες που προωθούνται) βλέπω κίνηση του svchost. Μία όλη κι όλη κατά τη διάρκεια του session, αλλά γίνεται:

40.67.251.132
40.67.254.36
40.90.22.186

Και να φανταστείτε, δεν ελέγχω τα UDP πακέτα...

Παιδιά, αυτά τα κλειδιά που βρίσκετε είναι από volume licenses. Τυπικά είναι παράνομη η χρήση τους και στο σπίτι και σε εταιρείες που δεν έχουν volume license agreement με την MS.

Πρακτικά η MS κάνει τα στραβά μάτια και αφήνει την ενεργοποίηση τους. Μόλις ξεπεραστεί ένα αριθμός ενεργοποιήσεων, πολλά τα ακυρώνει και άμα κάνεις format θα φας πόρτα στο επόμενο activation. Μικρό το κακό για οικιακούς χρήστες γιατί αγοράζεις άλλο.

Μη τα χρησιμοποιείτε όμως σε επιχειρήσεις γιατί σε έλεγχο θα σας υποβληθεί πρόστιμο.

Μπα, μια χαρά ενεργοποιούνται με το KMS_VL_ALL (σκέτο ή στην AIO έκδοση που προτιμώ).
Αλλά αν πρόκειται για ένα τόσο ευτελές ποσό, γιατί να είμαι νόμιμος;

Εχει την εντυπωση η Μικροσοφτ οτι θα μας σερβιρει διαφημισεις κοιταζοντας τι εχουμε στον σκληρο δισκο μας; χαχαχαχαχα ουτε καν edge/explorer δεν χρησιμοποιουν οι περισσοτεροι.

[enterprise-psi]

Εγώ δεν τα έχω ενεργοποιήσει τα δέκα . Από registry σβήνω κάτω δεξιά που λέει ενεργοποίηση windows και όλα είναι άψογα. Οκ δεν μπορώ να αλλάξω wallpaper , το οποίο το αλλάζεις από firefox .

[foscilis]

Αυτό μπορεί να το κάνεις σε έναν server που τα δεδομένα ενδεχομένως αξίζουν εκατομμύρια και η σύνδεση στο Ιντερνετ για να τα υποκλέψεις είναι το μπουρί της σόμπας.

Δε νομίζω ότι αποτελεί ρεαλιστικό κίνδυνο για έναν οικιακό υπολογιστή.

Γιατί νομίζεις ότι κάνουν upload όλα τα αρχεία; Αρχεία office, pdfs, βάσεις δεδομένων, email indexes, τέτοια αρχεία παίρνουν. Και δε τους κοστίζει τίποτα να τα διαρρεύσουν. Τουλάχιστον αυτή θα είναι η απειλή για το χρήστη.

Ο κίνδυνος για οικιακούς χρήστες είναι πάντως πραγματικά μικρότερος. Η συμβουλή σου όμως να παραμείνει σε Windows 7 σε ένα χρήστη που καταφανώς δε ξέρει να προστατέψει το δίκτυο και το PC του με εναλλακτικούς τρόπους μόνο και μόνο για να μην ξεβολευτεί για λίγες ώρες που θα του πάρει η αναβάθμιση είναι λάθος.

Φοβάται, δυσανασχετεί, δε θέλει να ασχοληθεί ο ίδιος; Ας δώσει ένα πενηντάρικο (και καστοστάρικο) σε ένα τεχνικό να του κάνει όλη τη δουλειά. Αυτό θεωρώ εγώ το σωστό. Όταν υπάρχουν απειλές που δε χρειάζεται καν ο χρήστης να κάνει κάποιο λάθος για να τις εκμεταλλευτεί κάποιος κακόβουλος.

Ποιες είναι αυτές οι απειλές; Είναι πίσω από NAT και έχει UAC. Η χρήση που κάνει είναι προσωπική για επεξεργασία εικόνας (ούτε PST έχει ούτε .DOC ούτε τέτοια πράγματα ακριβώς επειδή δεν είναι σε επιχειρηματικό περιβάλλον), ενώ το "λειτουργικό" που μιλά με τον έξω κόσμο είναι ένας ασφαλής υποστηριζόμενος browser (Τσιλ δεν πιστεύω να χρησιμοποιείς τίποτα Εξπλόρερ ). Το 99.9% της επιφάνειας επίθεσης είναι κλειστό και για το υπόλοιπο 0.1% το κόστος για τον επιτιθέμενο δεν δικαιολογεί το όποιο όφελος.

Αντίθετα έχει ένα πολύ αληθινό κόστος αν πρέπει να ξαναστήσει ένα πάρα πολύ καλά ρυθμισμένο workflow από την αρχή, ενδεχομένως με εντελώς νέα εργαλεία.

[Gordian Knot]

Εφάρμοσα το παρακάτω μέτρο μία φορά, αλλά δεν το επανέλαβα με το επόμενο update:
How to shut down persistent MS Cloud telemetry

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Every time you do a Windows update you need to redo all the settings all over again. But most important you block these Microsoft IP Addresses with your Firewall:

13.68.31.193, 13.66.56.243, 13.68.82.8, 13.76.218.117, 13.76.219.191, 13.76.219.210, 13.78.130.220, 13.78.232.226, 13.78.233.133, 13.92.194.212, 23.97.61.137, 23.97.209.97, 23.99.49.121, 23.99.10.11, 23.99.109.44, 23.99.109.64, 23.99.116.116, 23.99.121.207, 23.102.4.253, 23.102.21.4, 23.102.155.140, 23.103.182.126, 40.68.222.212, 40.69.153.67, 40.70.220.248, 40.70.221.249, 40.76.1.176, 40.76.12.4, 40.76.12.162, 40.77.228.47, 40.77.228.87, 40.77.228.92, 40.77.232.101, 40.79.85.125, 40.83.189.49, 40.113.8.255, 40.113.10.78, 40.113.11.93, 40.113.14.159, 40.113.22.47, 40.113.84.53, 40.114.149.220, 40.115.1.44, 40.117.144.240, 40.117.151.29, 40.121.144.182, 51.140.40.236, 51.141.13.164, 52.109.8.19, 52.109.8.20, 52.109.8.21, 52.109.12.18, 52.109.12.19, 52.109.12.20, 52.109.12.21, 52.109.12.22, 52.109.12.23, 52.109.12.24, 52.109.76.30, 52.109.76.31, 52.109.76.32, 52.109.76.33, 52.109.76.34, 52.109.76.35, 52.109.76.36, 52.109.76.40, 52.109.88.6, 52.109.88.34, 52.109.88.35, 52.109.88.36, 52.109.88.37, 52.109.88.38, 52.109.88.39, 52.109.88.40, 52.109.88.44, 52.109.120.17, 52.109.120.18, 52.109.120.19, 52.109.120.20, 52.109.120.21, 52.109.120.22, 52.109.120.23, 52.109.124.18, 52.109.124.19, 52.109.124.20, 52.109.124.21, 52.109.124.22, 52.109.124.23, 52.109.124.24, 52.114.6.46, 52.114.6.47, 52.114.7.37, 52.114.74.43, 52.114.74.45, 52.114.75.78, 52.114.75.79, 52.114.76.34, 52.114.76.37, 52.114.77.33, 52.114.77.34, 52.114.88.20, 52.114.88.28, 52.114.88.29, 52.114.128.8, 52.114.128.43, 52.114.128.44, 52.114.132.21, 52.114.132.73, 52.114.132.74, 52.114.158.52, 52.114.158.91, 52.114.158.92, 52.138.204.217, 52.138.216.83, 52.158.238.42, 52.164.240.33, 52.164.240.59, 52.164.241.205, 52.169.189.83, 52.170.83.19, 52.174.22.246, 52.178.38.151, 52.178.147.240, 52.178.151.212, 52.178.178.16, 52.178.223.23, 52.183.114.173, 52.229.39.152, 52.230.85.180, 52.236.42.239, 52.236.43.202, 65.52.26.28, 65.52.100.7, 65.52.100.9, 65.52.100.11, 65.52.100.91, 65.52.100.92, 65.52.100.93, 65.52.100.94, 65.52.161.64, 65.52.219.207, 65.55.29.238, 65.55.44.51, 65.55.44.54, 65.55.44.108, 65.55.44.109, 65.55.83.120, 65.55.113.11, 65.55.113.12, 65.55.113.13, 65.55.176.90, 65.55.252.43, 65.55.252.63, 65.55.252.70, 65.55.252.71, 65.55.252.72, 65.55.252.93, 65.55.252.190, 65.55.252.202, 66.119.147.131, 104.41.207.73, 104.43.137.66, 104.43.139.21, 104.43.140.223, 104.43.228.53, 104.43.228.202, 104.43.237.169, 104.45.11.195, 104.45.214.112, 104.46.1.211, 104.46.38.64, 104.210.4.77, 104.210.40.87, 104.210.212.243, 104.214.35.244, 131.253.6.87, 131.253.6.103, 131.253.40.37, 134.170.30.202, 134.170.30.203, 134.170.30.204, 134.170.30.221, 134.170.52.151, 134.170.235.16, 157.56.74.250, 157.56.91.77, 157.56.106.184, 157.56.106.185, 157.56.106.189, 157.56.113.217, 157.56.121.89, 157.56.124.87, 157.56.149.250, 157.56.194.72, 157.56.194.73, 157.56.194.74, 168.61.24.141, 168.61.146.25, 168.61.149.17, 168.61.172.71, 168.62.187.13, 168.63.100.61, 168.63.108.233, 191.236.155.80, 191.237.218.239, 191.239.50.18, 191.239.50.77, 191.239.52.100, 191.239.54.52, 207.46.41.202, 207.46.134.255, 207.68.166.254, 13.78.235.126, 13.78.235.247, 13.79.239.69, 13.79.239.82, 13.80.12.54, 13.81.5.53, 13.107.3.128, 13.107.3.254, 13.107.5.80, 13.107.5.88, 13.107.6.158, 13.107.6.254, 13.107.13.88, 13.107.18.254, 13.107.21.200, 13.107.21.229, 13.107.42.11, 13.107.42.254, 13.107.46.88, 13.107.47.88, 23.96.52.53, 23.96.208.208, 23.97.178.173, 23.100.122.175, 23.101.156.198, 23.101.158.111, 40.70.0.108, 40.77.225.248, 40.77.230.45, 40.83.74.46, 40.83.127.51, 40.90.136.1, 40.90.136.19, 40.90.136.20, 40.90.136.163, 40.90.136.166, 40.91.76.238, 40.101.46.178, 40.112.72.44, 40.112.90.122, 40.112.91.29, 40.113.97.222, 40.114.241.141, 40.117.190.72, 40.118.103.7, 40.118.106.130, 40.121.213.159, 40.126.9.5, 40.127.142.76, 40.127.195.156, 51.136.15.177, 51.136.37.147, 51.140.65.84, 51.140.98.69, 51.140.127.197, 51.141.26.229, 51.141.32.51, 51.141.166.104, 51.144.108.120, 52.97.146.34, 52.98.66.98, 52.138.148.87, 52.138.148.89, 52.138.148.159, 52.142.114.2, 52.142.114.176, 52.164.191.55, 52.164.227.208, 52.164.251.44, 52.166.110.64, 52.166.110.215, 52.166.120.77, 52.168.24.174, 52.169.71.150, 52.170.194.77, 52.171.136.200, 52.178.161.41, 52.178.163.85, 52.178.193.116, 52.179.13.204, 52.183.104.36, 52.230.10.183, 52.232.16.77, 52.232.19.76, 52.232.69.150, 52.233.199.249, 64.4.54.18, 64.4.54.22, 64.4.54.253, 64.4.54.254, 65.52.98.231, 65.54.187.131, 65.55.108.23, 65.55.130.50, 104.40.210.32, 104.40.211.35, 104.41.219.140, 104.42.41.237, 104.44.80.172, 104.44.88.24, 104.44.88.28, 104.44.88.103, 104.45.18.177, 104.214.77.221, 104.214.220.181, 104.215.146.200, 131.253.14.227, 131.253.14.229, 131.253.14.230, 131.253.14.231, 134.170.178.97, 134.170.185.70, 134.170.188.248, 137.117.235.16, 138.91.122.49, 157.55.109.7, 157.55.109.224, 157.55.109.226, 157.55.109.228, 157.55.109.230, 157.55.109.232, 157.55.129.21, 157.55.134.136, 157.55.134.138, 157.55.134.140, 157.55.134.142, 157.55.135.128, 157.55.135.130, 157.55.135.132, 157.55.135.134, 157.56.57.5, 168.63.18.79, 168.63.102.42, 191.237.208.126, 191.239.213.197, 204.152.141.244, 207.46.7.252, 207.46.101.29, 207.46.153.155, 207.46.194.14, 207.46.194.25, 207.46.194.33, 207.46.194.40, 207.46.223.94, 13.68.87.47, 13.68.87.175, 13.68.88.129, 13.68.93.109, 13.74.179.117, 13.78.168.230, 13.78.177.144, 13.78.179.199, 13.78.180.50, 13.78.180.90, 13.78.184.44, 13.78.184.186, 13.78.186.254, 13.78.187.58, 13.78.230.134, 13.83.148.235, 13.85.88.16, 13.86.124.174, 13.86.124.184, 13.86.124.191, 13.92.211.120, 13.107.4.50, 13.107.4.52, 13.107.246.10, 13.107.246.254, 20.36.218.70, 20.36.222.39, 20.42.24.29, 23.103.189.125, 23.103.189.126, 23.103.189.157, 23.103.189.158, 40.67.248.104, 40.67.251.132, 40.67.251.134, 40.67.252.206, 40.67.253.249, 40.67.254.36, 40.67.254.97, 40.67.255.199, 40.69.216.73, 40.69.216.129, 40.69.216.251, 40.69.218.62, 40.69.219.197, 40.69.220.46, 40.69.221.239, 40.69.222.109, 40.69.223.39, 40.69.223.198, 40.77.224.8, 40.77.224.11, 40.77.224.145, 40.77.224.254, 40.77.226.13, 40.77.226.181, 40.77.226.246, 40.77.226.247, 40.77.226.248, 40.77.226.249, 40.77.226.250, 40.77.229.8, 40.77.229.9, 40.77.229.12, 40.77.229.13, 40.77.229.16, 40.77.229.21, 40.77.229.22, 40.77.229.24, 40.77.229.26, 40.77.229.27, 40.77.229.29, 40.77.229.30, 40.77.229.32, 40.77.229.35, 40.77.229.38, 40.77.229.44, 40.77.229.45, 40.77.229.50, 40.77.229.53, 40.77.229.62, 40.77.229.65, 40.77.229.67, 40.77.229.69, 40.77.229.70, 40.77.229.71, 40.77.229.74, 40.77.229.76, 40.77.229.80, 40.77.229.81, 40.77.229.82, 40.77.229.88, 40.77.229.133, 40.77.229.141, 40.77.229.199, 40.79.65.78, 40.79.65.123, 40.79.65.235, 40.79.65.237, 40.79.66.194, 40.79.66.209, 40.79.67.176, 40.79.70.158, 40.91.73.219, 40.91.75.5, 52.161.15.246, 52.167.222.82, 52.167.222.147, 52.167.223.135, 52.169.82.131, 52.169.83.3, 52.169.87.42, 52.169.123.48, 52.175.23.79, 52.178.192.146, 52.183.47.176, 52.183.118.171, 52.184.152.136, 52.184.155.206, 52.187.60.107, 52.229.170.171, 52.229.170.224, 52.229.171.86, 52.229.171.202, 52.229.172.155, 52.229.174.29, 52.229.174.172, 52.229.174.233, 52.229.175.79, 64.4.27.50, 65.52.108.29, 65.52.108.33, 65.52.108.59, 65.52.108.90, 65.52.108.153, 65.52.108.154, 65.52.108.185, 65.55.163.76, 65.55.163.78, 65.55.163.80, 65.55.163.82, 65.55.163.90, 65.55.163.219, 65.55.163.220, 65.55.163.221, 65.55.163.222, 65.55.242.254, 66.119.144.157, 66.119.144.158, 66.119.144.189, 66.119.144.190, 111.221.29.11, 111.221.29.40, 111.221.29.134, 111.221.29.253, 111.221.29.254, 131.253.33.50, 131.253.33.200, 131.253.33.203, 131.253.33.254, 131.253.34.230, 131.253.34.234, 131.253.34.237, 131.253.34.243, 131.253.34.246, 131.253.34.247, 131.253.34.249, 131.253.34.252, 131.253.34.255, 134.170.51.187, 134.170.51.188, 134.170.51.190, 134.170.51.246, 134.170.51.247, 134.170.51.248, 134.170.53.29, 134.170.53.30, 134.170.115.55, 134.170.115.56, 134.170.115.60, 134.170.115.62, 134.170.165.248, 134.170.165.249, 134.170.165.251, 134.170.165.253, 157.55.133.204, 157.55.240.89, 157.55.240.126, 157.55.240.220, 157.56.77.138, 157.56.77.139, 157.56.77.140, 157.56.77.141, 157.56.77.148, 157.56.77.149, 157.56.96.54, 157.56.96.58, 157.56.96.123, 157.56.96.157, 191.232.80.53, 191.232.80.58, 191.232.80.60, 191.232.80.62, 191.232.139.2, 191.232.139.182, 191.232.139.253, 191.232.139.254, 191.234.72.183, 191.234.72.186, 191.234.72.188, 191.234.72.190, 207.46.114.58, 207.46.114.61,

Microsoft IP RANGE:
65.55.223.0-65.55.223.255, 64.4.23.0-64.4.23.255,131.253.61.0-131.253.61.255,157.55.56.0-157.55.56.255, 204.79.197.0-204.79.197.255, 65.55.138.0-65.55.138.255, 134.170.58.0-134.170.58.255,

Greetings from Salterns Lane

[Chilloutbuddy]

Όχι μόνο chrome χρησιμοποιώ, συν express VPN και bit defender.
Internet explorer χρησιμοποιώ μόνο στον υπολογιστή της δουλειάς γιατί τον μισώ και μισώ και την εταιρία που δουλεύω και κάνω ό,τι μπορώ για να καταστραφούνε.

[klg]

Συγνώμη αλλά πολλά ransomware variants πλέον δεν κρυπτογραφούν απλώς τα δεδομένα.

Ακριβώς επειδή ο στόχος τους είναι πρωτίστως εταιρείες και οργανισμοί και οι σοβαρές εταιρείες και οργανισμοί έχουν πολιτική backup, πλέον εκτός από κρυπτογράφηση γίνεται και υποκλοπή των δεδομένων. Και ο εκβιασμός είναι "δε πα να τα κάνεις restore. Έτσι και δε μας πληρώσεις σε 1-2 ημέρες, θα διαρρεύσουμε τα δεδομένα σου στο internet.". Και το κάνουν.

Πραγματικά αυτή τη στιγμή υπάρχουν περίπου 0 μηδέν λόγοι να μείνει κανείς σε OS που δεν υποστηρίζεται και μπόλικοι πολύ σοβαροί λόγοι για μη μείνει κάποιος σε αυτό.

Για τα windows 10 θα διαβάσει κανείς διάφορα. Βασικά είναι μια χαρά λειτουργικό, σταθερό και απροβλημάτιστο.

Ναι αλλά έχουν πάει το telemetry σε ΑΛΛΟ επίπεδο. Έχω βαρεθεί να κόβω IPs, το TCP Log View χτυπάει κόκκινα.
Ακόμα και με VPN (καλό VPN, όχι οι συνήθεις πούτσες που προωθούνται) βλέπω κίνηση του svchost. Μία όλη κι όλη κατά τη διάρκεια του session, αλλά γίνεται:

40.67.251.132
40.67.254.36
40.90.22.186

Και να φανταστείτε, δεν ελέγχω τα UDP πακέτα...

Δεν νομίζω ότι το telemetry της microsoft κάνει αυτό που νομίζεις.

[klg]

Εφάρμοσα το παρακάτω μέτρο μία φορά, αλλά δεν το επανέλαβα με το επόμενο update:
How to shut down persistent MS Cloud telemetry

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Every time you do a Windows update you need to redo all the settings all over again. But most important you block these Microsoft IP Addresses with your Firewall:

13.68.31.193, 13.66.56.243, 13.68.82.8, 13.76.218.117, 13.76.219.191, 13.76.219.210, 13.78.130.220, 13.78.232.226, 13.78.233.133, 13.92.194.212, 23.97.61.137, 23.97.209.97, 23.99.49.121, 23.99.10.11, 23.99.109.44, 23.99.109.64, 23.99.116.116, 23.99.121.207, 23.102.4.253, 23.102.21.4, 23.102.155.140, 23.103.182.126, 40.68.222.212, 40.69.153.67, 40.70.220.248, 40.70.221.249, 40.76.1.176, 40.76.12.4, 40.76.12.162, 40.77.228.47, 40.77.228.87, 40.77.228.92, 40.77.232.101, 40.79.85.125, 40.83.189.49, 40.113.8.255, 40.113.10.78, 40.113.11.93, 40.113.14.159, 40.113.22.47, 40.113.84.53, 40.114.149.220, 40.115.1.44, 40.117.144.240, 40.117.151.29, 40.121.144.182, 51.140.40.236, 51.141.13.164, 52.109.8.19, 52.109.8.20, 52.109.8.21, 52.109.12.18, 52.109.12.19, 52.109.12.20, 52.109.12.21, 52.109.12.22, 52.109.12.23, 52.109.12.24, 52.109.76.30, 52.109.76.31, 52.109.76.32, 52.109.76.33, 52.109.76.34, 52.109.76.35, 52.109.76.36, 52.109.76.40, 52.109.88.6, 52.109.88.34, 52.109.88.35, 52.109.88.36, 52.109.88.37, 52.109.88.38, 52.109.88.39, 52.109.88.40, 52.109.88.44, 52.109.120.17, 52.109.120.18, 52.109.120.19, 52.109.120.20, 52.109.120.21, 52.109.120.22, 52.109.120.23, 52.109.124.18, 52.109.124.19, 52.109.124.20, 52.109.124.21, 52.109.124.22, 52.109.124.23, 52.109.124.24, 52.114.6.46, 52.114.6.47, 52.114.7.37, 52.114.74.43, 52.114.74.45, 52.114.75.78, 52.114.75.79, 52.114.76.34, 52.114.76.37, 52.114.77.33, 52.114.77.34, 52.114.88.20, 52.114.88.28, 52.114.88.29, 52.114.128.8, 52.114.128.43, 52.114.128.44, 52.114.132.21, 52.114.132.73, 52.114.132.74, 52.114.158.52, 52.114.158.91, 52.114.158.92, 52.138.204.217, 52.138.216.83, 52.158.238.42, 52.164.240.33, 52.164.240.59, 52.164.241.205, 52.169.189.83, 52.170.83.19, 52.174.22.246, 52.178.38.151, 52.178.147.240, 52.178.151.212, 52.178.178.16, 52.178.223.23, 52.183.114.173, 52.229.39.152, 52.230.85.180, 52.236.42.239, 52.236.43.202, 65.52.26.28, 65.52.100.7, 65.52.100.9, 65.52.100.11, 65.52.100.91, 65.52.100.92, 65.52.100.93, 65.52.100.94, 65.52.161.64, 65.52.219.207, 65.55.29.238, 65.55.44.51, 65.55.44.54, 65.55.44.108, 65.55.44.109, 65.55.83.120, 65.55.113.11, 65.55.113.12, 65.55.113.13, 65.55.176.90, 65.55.252.43, 65.55.252.63, 65.55.252.70, 65.55.252.71, 65.55.252.72, 65.55.252.93, 65.55.252.190, 65.55.252.202, 66.119.147.131, 104.41.207.73, 104.43.137.66, 104.43.139.21, 104.43.140.223, 104.43.228.53, 104.43.228.202, 104.43.237.169, 104.45.11.195, 104.45.214.112, 104.46.1.211, 104.46.38.64, 104.210.4.77, 104.210.40.87, 104.210.212.243, 104.214.35.244, 131.253.6.87, 131.253.6.103, 131.253.40.37, 134.170.30.202, 134.170.30.203, 134.170.30.204, 134.170.30.221, 134.170.52.151, 134.170.235.16, 157.56.74.250, 157.56.91.77, 157.56.106.184, 157.56.106.185, 157.56.106.189, 157.56.113.217, 157.56.121.89, 157.56.124.87, 157.56.149.250, 157.56.194.72, 157.56.194.73, 157.56.194.74, 168.61.24.141, 168.61.146.25, 168.61.149.17, 168.61.172.71, 168.62.187.13, 168.63.100.61, 168.63.108.233, 191.236.155.80, 191.237.218.239, 191.239.50.18, 191.239.50.77, 191.239.52.100, 191.239.54.52, 207.46.41.202, 207.46.134.255, 207.68.166.254, 13.78.235.126, 13.78.235.247, 13.79.239.69, 13.79.239.82, 13.80.12.54, 13.81.5.53, 13.107.3.128, 13.107.3.254, 13.107.5.80, 13.107.5.88, 13.107.6.158, 13.107.6.254, 13.107.13.88, 13.107.18.254, 13.107.21.200, 13.107.21.229, 13.107.42.11, 13.107.42.254, 13.107.46.88, 13.107.47.88, 23.96.52.53, 23.96.208.208, 23.97.178.173, 23.100.122.175, 23.101.156.198, 23.101.158.111, 40.70.0.108, 40.77.225.248, 40.77.230.45, 40.83.74.46, 40.83.127.51, 40.90.136.1, 40.90.136.19, 40.90.136.20, 40.90.136.163, 40.90.136.166, 40.91.76.238, 40.101.46.178, 40.112.72.44, 40.112.90.122, 40.112.91.29, 40.113.97.222, 40.114.241.141, 40.117.190.72, 40.118.103.7, 40.118.106.130, 40.121.213.159, 40.126.9.5, 40.127.142.76, 40.127.195.156, 51.136.15.177, 51.136.37.147, 51.140.65.84, 51.140.98.69, 51.140.127.197, 51.141.26.229, 51.141.32.51, 51.141.166.104, 51.144.108.120, 52.97.146.34, 52.98.66.98, 52.138.148.87, 52.138.148.89, 52.138.148.159, 52.142.114.2, 52.142.114.176, 52.164.191.55, 52.164.227.208, 52.164.251.44, 52.166.110.64, 52.166.110.215, 52.166.120.77, 52.168.24.174, 52.169.71.150, 52.170.194.77, 52.171.136.200, 52.178.161.41, 52.178.163.85, 52.178.193.116, 52.179.13.204, 52.183.104.36, 52.230.10.183, 52.232.16.77, 52.232.19.76, 52.232.69.150, 52.233.199.249, 64.4.54.18, 64.4.54.22, 64.4.54.253, 64.4.54.254, 65.52.98.231, 65.54.187.131, 65.55.108.23, 65.55.130.50, 104.40.210.32, 104.40.211.35, 104.41.219.140, 104.42.41.237, 104.44.80.172, 104.44.88.24, 104.44.88.28, 104.44.88.103, 104.45.18.177, 104.214.77.221, 104.214.220.181, 104.215.146.200, 131.253.14.227, 131.253.14.229, 131.253.14.230, 131.253.14.231, 134.170.178.97, 134.170.185.70, 134.170.188.248, 137.117.235.16, 138.91.122.49, 157.55.109.7, 157.55.109.224, 157.55.109.226, 157.55.109.228, 157.55.109.230, 157.55.109.232, 157.55.129.21, 157.55.134.136, 157.55.134.138, 157.55.134.140, 157.55.134.142, 157.55.135.128, 157.55.135.130, 157.55.135.132, 157.55.135.134, 157.56.57.5, 168.63.18.79, 168.63.102.42, 191.237.208.126, 191.239.213.197, 204.152.141.244, 207.46.7.252, 207.46.101.29, 207.46.153.155, 207.46.194.14, 207.46.194.25, 207.46.194.33, 207.46.194.40, 207.46.223.94, 13.68.87.47, 13.68.87.175, 13.68.88.129, 13.68.93.109, 13.74.179.117, 13.78.168.230, 13.78.177.144, 13.78.179.199, 13.78.180.50, 13.78.180.90, 13.78.184.44, 13.78.184.186, 13.78.186.254, 13.78.187.58, 13.78.230.134, 13.83.148.235, 13.85.88.16, 13.86.124.174, 13.86.124.184, 13.86.124.191, 13.92.211.120, 13.107.4.50, 13.107.4.52, 13.107.246.10, 13.107.246.254, 20.36.218.70, 20.36.222.39, 20.42.24.29, 23.103.189.125, 23.103.189.126, 23.103.189.157, 23.103.189.158, 40.67.248.104, 40.67.251.132, 40.67.251.134, 40.67.252.206, 40.67.253.249, 40.67.254.36, 40.67.254.97, 40.67.255.199, 40.69.216.73, 40.69.216.129, 40.69.216.251, 40.69.218.62, 40.69.219.197, 40.69.220.46, 40.69.221.239, 40.69.222.109, 40.69.223.39, 40.69.223.198, 40.77.224.8, 40.77.224.11, 40.77.224.145, 40.77.224.254, 40.77.226.13, 40.77.226.181, 40.77.226.246, 40.77.226.247, 40.77.226.248, 40.77.226.249, 40.77.226.250, 40.77.229.8, 40.77.229.9, 40.77.229.12, 40.77.229.13, 40.77.229.16, 40.77.229.21, 40.77.229.22, 40.77.229.24, 40.77.229.26, 40.77.229.27, 40.77.229.29, 40.77.229.30, 40.77.229.32, 40.77.229.35, 40.77.229.38, 40.77.229.44, 40.77.229.45, 40.77.229.50, 40.77.229.53, 40.77.229.62, 40.77.229.65, 40.77.229.67, 40.77.229.69, 40.77.229.70, 40.77.229.71, 40.77.229.74, 40.77.229.76, 40.77.229.80, 40.77.229.81, 40.77.229.82, 40.77.229.88, 40.77.229.133, 40.77.229.141, 40.77.229.199, 40.79.65.78, 40.79.65.123, 40.79.65.235, 40.79.65.237, 40.79.66.194, 40.79.66.209, 40.79.67.176, 40.79.70.158, 40.91.73.219, 40.91.75.5, 52.161.15.246, 52.167.222.82, 52.167.222.147, 52.167.223.135, 52.169.82.131, 52.169.83.3, 52.169.87.42, 52.169.123.48, 52.175.23.79, 52.178.192.146, 52.183.47.176, 52.183.118.171, 52.184.152.136, 52.184.155.206, 52.187.60.107, 52.229.170.171, 52.229.170.224, 52.229.171.86, 52.229.171.202, 52.229.172.155, 52.229.174.29, 52.229.174.172, 52.229.174.233, 52.229.175.79, 64.4.27.50, 65.52.108.29, 65.52.108.33, 65.52.108.59, 65.52.108.90, 65.52.108.153, 65.52.108.154, 65.52.108.185, 65.55.163.76, 65.55.163.78, 65.55.163.80, 65.55.163.82, 65.55.163.90, 65.55.163.219, 65.55.163.220, 65.55.163.221, 65.55.163.222, 65.55.242.254, 66.119.144.157, 66.119.144.158, 66.119.144.189, 66.119.144.190, 111.221.29.11, 111.221.29.40, 111.221.29.134, 111.221.29.253, 111.221.29.254, 131.253.33.50, 131.253.33.200, 131.253.33.203, 131.253.33.254, 131.253.34.230, 131.253.34.234, 131.253.34.237, 131.253.34.243, 131.253.34.246, 131.253.34.247, 131.253.34.249, 131.253.34.252, 131.253.34.255, 134.170.51.187, 134.170.51.188, 134.170.51.190, 134.170.51.246, 134.170.51.247, 134.170.51.248, 134.170.53.29, 134.170.53.30, 134.170.115.55, 134.170.115.56, 134.170.115.60, 134.170.115.62, 134.170.165.248, 134.170.165.249, 134.170.165.251, 134.170.165.253, 157.55.133.204, 157.55.240.89, 157.55.240.126, 157.55.240.220, 157.56.77.138, 157.56.77.139, 157.56.77.140, 157.56.77.141, 157.56.77.148, 157.56.77.149, 157.56.96.54, 157.56.96.58, 157.56.96.123, 157.56.96.157, 191.232.80.53, 191.232.80.58, 191.232.80.60, 191.232.80.62, 191.232.139.2, 191.232.139.182, 191.232.139.253, 191.232.139.254, 191.234.72.183, 191.234.72.186, 191.234.72.188, 191.234.72.190, 207.46.114.58, 207.46.114.61,

Microsoft IP RANGE:
65.55.223.0-65.55.223.255, 64.4.23.0-64.4.23.255,131.253.61.0-131.253.61.255,157.55.56.0-157.55.56.255, 204.79.197.0-204.79.197.255, 65.55.138.0-65.55.138.255, 134.170.58.0-134.170.58.255,

Greetings from Salterns Lane

btw
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downloa ... x?id=53602

[taliban]

Εγώ Παλιά από τα χπ είχα πειράξει απ το τελεμετρυ την ταχύτητα του ίντερνετ.

Κλασσικά ως 24 μβς.
Κλείδωμα στα 9.5. Και το πήγα στα 12 χωρίς να πέφτει η γραμμή.

Αλλά επίπεδα χακεριας.

Στα 10 δεν το έχω κάνει ακόμη.

[Jack Shephard]

Αντίθετα έχει ένα πολύ αληθινό κόστος αν πρέπει να ξαναστήσει ένα πάρα πολύ καλά ρυθμισμένο workflow από την αρχή, ενδεχομένως με εντελώς νέα εργαλεία.

Εδώ είναι και ένα κλειδί όμως: αυτό το κόστος δε θα το γλυτώσει. Μα το 2021 μα το 2022 οι browsers ή το λογισμικό ασφαλείας που χρησιμοποιεί θα σταματήσει να υποστηρίζει windows 7. Εκεί θα πρέπει εκ των πραγμάτων να αναβαθμίσει. Αυτό που στην πραγματικότητα συζητάμε είναι να πως να τον βοηθήσουμε να παίξει καθυστερήσεις. Άλλες τρίτες εφαρμογές έχουν ήδη σταματήσει ή θα σταματήσουν να υποστηρίζουν τα windows 7. Κάθε μία από αυτές που θέλει internet για να λειτουργήσει θα είναι και μία δυνητική πηγή κινδύνου (το Zoom το ξέρεις. Το καλοκαίρι είχε Zero Day μόνο για τα Windows 7).

Επιπλέον, αν το workflow του είναι τόσο απλό όσο το περιγράφεις, η αναβάθμιση δε θα τον επηρεάσει σε τίποτε. Οι λίγες εφαρμογές του θα δουλέψουν. Και θα έχει και τα πλεονεκτήματα των Windows 10. Γιατί εδώ μόνο τα θάβουμε.

[ΣΑΤΑΝΙΚΟΣ ΕΓΚΕΦΑΛΟΣ]

χάσταγκ ριάλιτι τσεκ

[Gordian Knot]

Εφάρμοσα το παρακάτω μέτρο μία φορά, αλλά δεν το επανέλαβα με το επόμενο update:
How to shut down persistent MS Cloud telemetry

SpoilerShow

Every time you do a Windows update you need to redo all the settings all over again. But most important you block these Microsoft IP Addresses with your Firewall:

13.68.31.193, 13.66.56.243, 13.68.82.8, 13.76.218.117, 13.76.219.191, 13.76.219.210, 13.78.130.220, 13.78.232.226, 13.78.233.133, 13.92.194.212, 23.97.61.137, 23.97.209.97, 23.99.49.121, 23.99.10.11, 23.99.109.44, 23.99.109.64, 23.99.116.116, 23.99.121.207, 23.102.4.253, 23.102.21.4, 23.102.155.140, 23.103.182.126, 40.68.222.212, 40.69.153.67, 40.70.220.248, 40.70.221.249, 40.76.1.176, 40.76.12.4, 40.76.12.162, 40.77.228.47, 40.77.228.87, 40.77.228.92, 40.77.232.101, 40.79.85.125, 40.83.189.49, 40.113.8.255, 40.113.10.78, 40.113.11.93, 40.113.14.159, 40.113.22.47, 40.113.84.53, 40.114.149.220, 40.115.1.44, 40.117.144.240, 40.117.151.29, 40.121.144.182, 51.140.40.236, 51.141.13.164, 52.109.8.19, 52.109.8.20, 52.109.8.21, 52.109.12.18, 52.109.12.19, 52.109.12.20, 52.109.12.21, 52.109.12.22, 52.109.12.23, 52.109.12.24, 52.109.76.30, 52.109.76.31, 52.109.76.32, 52.109.76.33, 52.109.76.34, 52.109.76.35, 52.109.76.36, 52.109.76.40, 52.109.88.6, 52.109.88.34, 52.109.88.35, 52.109.88.36, 52.109.88.37, 52.109.88.38, 52.109.88.39, 52.109.88.40, 52.109.88.44, 52.109.120.17, 52.109.120.18, 52.109.120.19, 52.109.120.20, 52.109.120.21, 52.109.120.22, 52.109.120.23, 52.109.124.18, 52.109.124.19, 52.109.124.20, 52.109.124.21, 52.109.124.22, 52.109.124.23, 52.109.124.24, 52.114.6.46, 52.114.6.47, 52.114.7.37, 52.114.74.43, 52.114.74.45, 52.114.75.78, 52.114.75.79, 52.114.76.34, 52.114.76.37, 52.114.77.33, 52.114.77.34, 52.114.88.20, 52.114.88.28, 52.114.88.29, 52.114.128.8, 52.114.128.43, 52.114.128.44, 52.114.132.21, 52.114.132.73, 52.114.132.74, 52.114.158.52, 52.114.158.91, 52.114.158.92, 52.138.204.217, 52.138.216.83, 52.158.238.42, 52.164.240.33, 52.164.240.59, 52.164.241.205, 52.169.189.83, 52.170.83.19, 52.174.22.246, 52.178.38.151, 52.178.147.240, 52.178.151.212, 52.178.178.16, 52.178.223.23, 52.183.114.173, 52.229.39.152, 52.230.85.180, 52.236.42.239, 52.236.43.202, 65.52.26.28, 65.52.100.7, 65.52.100.9, 65.52.100.11, 65.52.100.91, 65.52.100.92, 65.52.100.93, 65.52.100.94, 65.52.161.64, 65.52.219.207, 65.55.29.238, 65.55.44.51, 65.55.44.54, 65.55.44.108, 65.55.44.109, 65.55.83.120, 65.55.113.11, 65.55.113.12, 65.55.113.13, 65.55.176.90, 65.55.252.43, 65.55.252.63, 65.55.252.70, 65.55.252.71, 65.55.252.72, 65.55.252.93, 65.55.252.190, 65.55.252.202, 66.119.147.131, 104.41.207.73, 104.43.137.66, 104.43.139.21, 104.43.140.223, 104.43.228.53, 104.43.228.202, 104.43.237.169, 104.45.11.195, 104.45.214.112, 104.46.1.211, 104.46.38.64, 104.210.4.77, 104.210.40.87, 104.210.212.243, 104.214.35.244, 131.253.6.87, 131.253.6.103, 131.253.40.37, 134.170.30.202, 134.170.30.203, 134.170.30.204, 134.170.30.221, 134.170.52.151, 134.170.235.16, 157.56.74.250, 157.56.91.77, 157.56.106.184, 157.56.106.185, 157.56.106.189, 157.56.113.217, 157.56.121.89, 157.56.124.87, 157.56.149.250, 157.56.194.72, 157.56.194.73, 157.56.194.74, 168.61.24.141, 168.61.146.25, 168.61.149.17, 168.61.172.71, 168.62.187.13, 168.63.100.61, 168.63.108.233, 191.236.155.80, 191.237.218.239, 191.239.50.18, 191.239.50.77, 191.239.52.100, 191.239.54.52, 207.46.41.202, 207.46.134.255, 207.68.166.254, 13.78.235.126, 13.78.235.247, 13.79.239.69, 13.79.239.82, 13.80.12.54, 13.81.5.53, 13.107.3.128, 13.107.3.254, 13.107.5.80, 13.107.5.88, 13.107.6.158, 13.107.6.254, 13.107.13.88, 13.107.18.254, 13.107.21.200, 13.107.21.229, 13.107.42.11, 13.107.42.254, 13.107.46.88, 13.107.47.88, 23.96.52.53, 23.96.208.208, 23.97.178.173, 23.100.122.175, 23.101.156.198, 23.101.158.111, 40.70.0.108, 40.77.225.248, 40.77.230.45, 40.83.74.46, 40.83.127.51, 40.90.136.1, 40.90.136.19, 40.90.136.20, 40.90.136.163, 40.90.136.166, 40.91.76.238, 40.101.46.178, 40.112.72.44, 40.112.90.122, 40.112.91.29, 40.113.97.222, 40.114.241.141, 40.117.190.72, 40.118.103.7, 40.118.106.130, 40.121.213.159, 40.126.9.5, 40.127.142.76, 40.127.195.156, 51.136.15.177, 51.136.37.147, 51.140.65.84, 51.140.98.69, 51.140.127.197, 51.141.26.229, 51.141.32.51, 51.141.166.104, 51.144.108.120, 52.97.146.34, 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Microsoft IP RANGE:
65.55.223.0-65.55.223.255, 64.4.23.0-64.4.23.255,131.253.61.0-131.253.61.255,157.55.56.0-157.55.56.255, 204.79.197.0-204.79.197.255, 65.55.138.0-65.55.138.255, 134.170.58.0-134.170.58.255,

Greetings from Salterns Lane

btw
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downloa ... x?id=53602

Thanks για τη λίστα.

Αυτό που μου προκαλεί ανησυχία είναι το γεγονός πως σε μία στήλη του logger εμφανίζεται η local IP ενώ δεν θα έπρεπε. Όλα αυτά ενώ είναι ενεργοποιημένο το VPN, έτσι;
Υπό κανονικές συνθήκες, η 192.x.x.x καταγράφεται μόνο σε συνδέσεις με το τοπικό δίκτυο. (Έχω 2 PCs, laptop, κάμερες, smartphone, tablet)
Αντί λοιπόν να βλέπω την 10.x.x.x σε όλα τα connections με το εξωτερικό, ξαφνικά πετιέται (σαν τον αράπη στις τσόντες) και η τοπική διεύθυνση με Remote Address κάποιον server της Microsoft.
Και μάλιστα σε συγκεκριμένο χρονικό σημείο: 10 περίπου λεπτά μετά την πραγματοποίηση σύνδεσης με το VPN. Κάθε φορά.
Τσάμπα ανησυχώ;

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Εφάρμοσα το παρακάτω μέτρο μία φορά, αλλά δεν το επανέλαβα με το επόμενο update:
How to shut down persistent MS Cloud telemetry

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Every time you do a Windows update you need to redo all the settings all over again. But most important you block these Microsoft IP Addresses with your Firewall:

13.68.31.193, 13.66.56.243, 13.68.82.8, 13.76.218.117, 13.76.219.191, 13.76.219.210, 13.78.130.220, 13.78.232.226, 13.78.233.133, 13.92.194.212, 23.97.61.137, 23.97.209.97, 23.99.49.121, 23.99.10.11, 23.99.109.44, 23.99.109.64, 23.99.116.116, 23.99.121.207, 23.102.4.253, 23.102.21.4, 23.102.155.140, 23.103.182.126, 40.68.222.212, 40.69.153.67, 40.70.220.248, 40.70.221.249, 40.76.1.176, 40.76.12.4, 40.76.12.162, 40.77.228.47, 40.77.228.87, 40.77.228.92, 40.77.232.101, 40.79.85.125, 40.83.189.49, 40.113.8.255, 40.113.10.78, 40.113.11.93, 40.113.14.159, 40.113.22.47, 40.113.84.53, 40.114.149.220, 40.115.1.44, 40.117.144.240, 40.117.151.29, 40.121.144.182, 51.140.40.236, 51.141.13.164, 52.109.8.19, 52.109.8.20, 52.109.8.21, 52.109.12.18, 52.109.12.19, 52.109.12.20, 52.109.12.21, 52.109.12.22, 52.109.12.23, 52.109.12.24, 52.109.76.30, 52.109.76.31, 52.109.76.32, 52.109.76.33, 52.109.76.34, 52.109.76.35, 52.109.76.36, 52.109.76.40, 52.109.88.6, 52.109.88.34, 52.109.88.35, 52.109.88.36, 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Microsoft IP RANGE:
65.55.223.0-65.55.223.255, 64.4.23.0-64.4.23.255,131.253.61.0-131.253.61.255,157.55.56.0-157.55.56.255, 204.79.197.0-204.79.197.255, 65.55.138.0-65.55.138.255, 134.170.58.0-134.170.58.255,

Greetings from Salterns Lane

btw
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downloa ... x?id=53602

Thanks για τη λίστα.

Αυτό που μου προκαλεί ανησυχία είναι το γεγονός πως σε μία στήλη του logger εμφανίζεται η local IP ενώ δεν θα έπρεπε. Όλα αυτά ενώ είναι ενεργοποιημένο το VPN, έτσι;
Υπό κανονικές συνθήκες, η 192.x.x.x καταγράφεται μόνο σε συνδέσεις με το τοπικό δίκτυο. (Έχω 2 PCs, laptop, κάμερες, smartphone, tablet)
Αντί λοιπόν να βλέπω την 10.x.x.x σε όλα τα connections με το εξωτερικό, ξαφνικά πετιέται (σαν τον αράπη στις τσόντες) και η τοπική διεύθυνση με Remote Address κάποιον server της Microsoft.
Και μάλιστα σε συγκεκριμένο χρονικό σημείο: 10 περίπου λεπτά μετά την πραγματοποίηση σύνδεσης με το VPN. Κάθε φορά.
Τσάμπα ανησυχώ;

Γιατί πιστεύεις ότι όλα σου τα connections θα γίνουν tunneled μέσω του VPN σου; Θα πρέπει να σου αλλάξει το routing table το VPN σου για να αναγκάσει όλο το traffic να πάει μέσω του interface του tunnel, που υποθέτω δεν είναι το case σε αυτό που έχεις;